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The odds of this season keep going down for me. They haven't even played a full series yet, and they are already having to cancel games. I don't see the MLB or the NFL season playing to completion. The NBA season may have a chance, because they are going to be rapidly eliminating teams from competition. It's too hard to maintain a strict bubble over the course of an entire season though, and once you have an infected player, you suddenly have multiple infected players and a game is cancelled. I just don't see how it's going to be done.

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The only sure way would be to have the president tweet that he hopes it will be cancelled.

They’d be piling the bodies up in the freezer saying the show must go on!

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It will be done. I have no doubt. The big difference between the MLB and the NFL is that the NFL is placing FAR more strict protocols in place. That said, MLB will continue. Games are postponed all the time in that league.

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The thing to remember is that virtually all of these players across all the leagues that have tested positive have been asymptomatic. They aren't sick, they are simply positive. In ten days they can come back with no apparent danger of contracting it again nor of transmitting it again.

The Miami Marlins clearly had serious gaps in their protocols and/or their players ignored those protocols. I assure you that will be the exception rather than the rule. By the way, 14 of the 15 three game opening series MLB were completed with no major issues.

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I honestly don’t think it’d be risky, if I’m being completely unbiased. Their age and health profile is virtually 0% risk of getting seriously ill. Probably the same as any other natural causes.

They’ll miss more playing time with a regular ankle sprain

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Fresh thread every time someone get the feels about the season?

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It looks that way. I guess now I'll have to wait until tomorrow to start a new thread about COVID.:doh:

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Our sports leagues have billions in resources and billions in incentives to play. Isolation. The quickest testing turn around being two days. Contact tracing. Yet, they still can't pull it off. It's been bungled from the start and we are still failing. Rich or poor. Black or white. Republican or Democrat. The virus does not care. Other countries have succeeded. They shut down. Stayed shut down. Tested. Contact traced. Listened to scientists. Weren't driven by politics and money. Vaccines are our only hope. There's no way we come together as a people.

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The President and Republican Governors have said the show must go on since the first cases arrived on our shores. Bodies have been piling up in freezers. 1000+ deaths in the US the last few days. 150K deaths and counting overall. And the President and Republican politicians response? The show must go on. Schools must open. Expect more of the same. And you compare it to a sprained ankle? Lord have mercy.

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I still don’t see a whole season happening. Honestly football is hardly important right now. Either open everything back up or shut everything back down. Trying to find a happy medium isn’t working. I’m in favor of opening everything back up like we should have when they the tried phase 1 experiment.
Our country has failed miserably as far as Covid is concerned.

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You know, I didn't think that football was important until a friend committed suicide who I never would have expected to do something like that. The isolation is hard on people psychologically, and football is a much needed outlet for people. I will even go so far as to say that football would save several lives. I don't think the season is going to happen, but it would be great for collective morale if it did.

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It's the most important thing in terms of football right now. We can talk about trades, depth charts, and rookies all we want, but if we never play it doesn't matter. Anytime something related, like 2 MLB getting cancelled, occurs that gives some predictive indication of how an NFL season would go, it is worthy of being discussed. The NFL will run into these same issues if it goes ahead with its season. Someone said in a earlier post that these games would be easy to replay, because MLB postpones games all the time. We're talking about a team being out for two weeks of games. When you have the playoffs scheduled and stuff, I don't see how you fit two weeks(which may be an underestimate) of just 4 teams games before the playoffs. If this happened in the NFL(the NFL has much larger rosters, players come into direct contact with other teams more) how are you going to play 2-3(probably 3) games before the playoffs? What if the team has another wave of infections and they need to play even more games. The logistics of playing the NFL season seem incredibly difficult and the MLB is giving us a clue of just how difficult its going to be. It doesn't appear as if the NFL is going to adopt a bubble format, so I don't see how the above scenarios of teams being out for weeks is avoidable.

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The teams are not going to be out for two weeks. Only the infected players will be out until cleared. There are players available to fill out the lineup for the upcoming games. The same will be the case in the NFL, but they have the advantage of playing a game once a week instead of every day. There should be no need to cancel games. And don't expect any large breakouts like what happened with the Marlins. The NFL protocols are already planned to be far more stringent than the MLB. There is also going to be rapid testing (some as quick a turnaround as SEVEN MINUTES.)

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The two day turnaround is for the public. Once the lab has the kit it can take as little as 30 minutes for them to have the result. The extra 47.5 hours of lag time involves getting the kit to the lab and then the results back to the patient through the submitting source. The NFL will have immediate access to the testing and results so the turnaround will a half hour or less. There are even "rapid" tests that gets the result in as short as seven minutes. Too expensive for the general public, but well worth the investment for the NFL. NOBODY gains access to anyone else until they have been cleared. Players will be isolated from outside contact for 24 hours before the game and tested the day before AND the day of the game.

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Hitta, the NFL has a number of huge advantages over all the other sports leagues.

1) The NFL has an almost bottomless pocketbook. It can easily afford daily and rapid testing. It can afford isolation housing prior to every game. Chartered transportation, etc.

2) The NFL has the latest start date. This has been touted as perhaps the biggest advantage. Not only can the NFL learn from other sports' successes, but more importantly from their mistakes. The Marlins had a breakdown in COVID protocols and that breakdown will be identified and most likely not repeated elsewhere.

3) The NFL schedule has its games spaced out a week apart, while other leagues play anywhere from three to seven games per week. On the rare occasions that players do need to be withheld it will be far easier to replace them come gameday.

4) The NFL has deeper rosters - both active and in reserve. It is much easier for the NFL to replace eight players testing positive during the week than any other league.

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NFL NO Football for Losers

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How do you play games when over half your active roster has tested positive for coronavirus like the Marlins? Even if it was a smaller amount of players, there are logistical issues with playing games right after a pocket of players has tested positive or players that have tested positive have came in contact with other players on your team, one of them being that PCR tests actually have horrible accuracy. If a player gets through the testing and has a false negative due to that player having a low viral load in their upper respiratory system, then it leaves other players and teams vulnerable to suffering from waves of infection.

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First of all, the Marlins ignored protocols and played players that had tested positive. By the way, I just heard that no one associated with the Phillies, the team they played, has tested positive. Had the Marlins followed protocols like the 29 other MLB teams they would not have had this issue. What you see with the Marlins is a totally botched outlier. And as it is there may only be two games postponed. I can't wait to hear all the details about the Marlins cases. How much you want to bet that nightclubs were involved?

But, once again, the NFL protocols are FAR more restrictive. All personnel are required to pass multiple tests prior to playing a game. They have to have two negatives before ever entering the facilities and will be tested daily for the first two weeks and every other day after that except for the day before a game and on gameday. You really can't compare the leagues with one playing every day and the other only once a week. It is going to be very difficult to have an outbreak of any sorts with the protocols being followed in the NFL. I know several people who have tested positive and every one of them either ignorantly ignored standard safety protocols or hung around others that did. If people are smart about it the chances of being infected or spreading the virus is close to nil.

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But then, some people tend to expect the very worst and I tend to expect the very best. Many people here were saying a couple of months ago that there was no way a season could even be attempted or that a training camp was even possible.

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I do agree, look no further than Katrina. The difference here is that we are dealing with a contagious virus where crowds could wind up causing more isolation in the long run. Don’t get me wrong, I want the season to go on but I just don’t see it without some sort of disruption.
Sorry to hear about your friend.

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One thread doesn't make it less important than 5.. The rest of your malarkey is distinction with out difference.

In the United States
1,773 people die from heart disease
1,643 people die each day from cancer
465 die each say from just accidents


123 people commit suicide each day... Your incessant drama and panic, use of 'bodies stacking up', and politicization do absolutely nothing but further this number.

You have been consumed by it from the start and it isn't mentally healthy.


Every time you post, Rugby has to chase a fu3king antacid with a scotch.

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Ah yes, relief! :p

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My breakfast, lunch, and dinner! The sherry cask really accents the cherry mid-palate of the Tums

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I just read where an NFL "insider" shared that "at least one" and probably several more Marlins players ignored the protocols and "went out" while in Atlanta to play the Braves. This is the best thing that could have happened for the NFL. It pounds home the point that the players cannot ignore the protocols and will get caught and punished. It is even a positive for MLB since it is so early in the season that it should help their protocol adherence, as well, from this point on.

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Now I'm hearing that the Miami infection may have come from a stewardess. MLB teams are constantly flying from one location to another. Multiple sites a week. The NFL will only have flight to and from games eight times in the regular season. They (NFL Radio) said that the NFL teams will have dedicated charter planes and crew and the crew will be regularly tested like all other personnel. A stewardess will have to pass the same protocol as would a player. The same with all personnel maintaining the planes and luggage. They seem to be trying to cover all bases. This is easier to do in the NFL than in other sports due to that bottomless pocketbook I have previously mentioned.

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Rugby ain't the only one...

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I wish the coronavirus was as bad as they say. I was rooting for her in Portland, NYC, and similar areas. Come on coronavirus kill those people first, not just the old people.

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Why does this not surprise me whatsoever?

:rolleyes:

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Oak, we have been friends with similar outlooks for years but I just can't get onboard with this type of thinking. Human life is important to me and I want to protect everyone. The deaths that you mentioned are bad and can't be stopped. Corona deaths are preventable with the proper measures.

Unfortunately for the Republicans it's not just the poor people getting sick and dying. They are losing members of their party as well in the senate. I'm not a Democrat though. I was raised to be a Democrat and voted the straight Democratic ticket but I left their recent agendas and became an independent.

Why let the death numbers rise if we can stop them? This is going to affect the survivors fairly soon from the lung and heart problems associated with the Corona virus. We will have hospitals struggling to meet their demand. Oh, the cost is likely going to have an effect on the economy again. Live and let live

Edit: I might be wrong but I believe that they are trying to prevent heart disease, and cancer as well. Sometimes there's not much that we can do about accidents except research and preventative education.

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Don’t really know what heart disease and cancer deaths have to do with covid death counts. Two separate things imo.

Covid is the big one. Most folks are too scared to believe it and so live in some kind of made up fiction in their head.

If Covid were to get out to everyone in this country the death count would be devastating. The CFR hovers between 1 to 8%.

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/global...atality-rates/

Imagine 350 million cases in the USA. I dunno, seems like simple math to me. Many many dead.

Thing is if most people got on board the prevention train we could end this crap. Most folks are doing their part while others don’t care and will continue to propagate the virus by disregarding protocols and spreading propaganda against protection. Unfortunately for them they will suffer the consequence and become vectors of the disease to continue spreading to more vulnerable folks. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Not only is it an irrelevant argument, it is an irrational one as well as it's assuming that the death rate will always be below the rates of the diseases/illnesses he listed above. When NY was at its peak death rate, you were seeing between 2300-2700 deaths a day., We are having between 60-70k infections now, far more than we did during that period. I still think the infections could rise up to 100-150k a day. The deaths per day could end up dwarfing those that he listed above. Another thing that people don't think about also is whether or not the disease causes long term damage to the person. There is increasing evidence that the virus could cause lasting damage to the person. Inflammation is being found all over the body(especially in the heart) well after the infection has supposedly been cleared and the person is testing negative and has IGG antibodies. This virus may leave a person with issues for the rest of their life. If you've asked anyone that's had it how they feel after the infection cleared,.. I know a pretty healthy person that had it that used to run between 5-10 miles 4-5 days a week. Now he's struggling to get anywhere close to that, as he's laboring far more than he did at any point in the past. He supposedly cleared the virus almost a month and a half ago.

It's becoming fairly annoying watching people turn the virus into a political thing. Both parties are guilty of this. A lot of Republicans want to dismiss the virus as liberal hysteria. Democrats try to use to the virus as a political tool to blame Republicans for pretty much anything they can think of incessantly. The virus pretty much highlights all of the political BS that exists in this country.

There is a virus. The virus is incredibly harmful to society. All of the problems that exist right now are not Republicans fault. I mean we may have dismissed one of the best treatments we currently have in hydroxychloroquine in the name of politics. Most of the studies that are being used by liberals to debase it are horrible. These studies don't even take into account the theory of how hydroxychloroquine is supposed to stop the virus(as Zinc is necessary to the process). So now you have the FDA telling people not the use hydroxychloroquine and liberals making fun of anyone that does, and we don't even know if it works or not because politics disrupted our ability to properly gauge its worth. There are a lot of studies that seem to indicate that the drug works when used in combination with other things, but these are largely overlooked and dismissed. I'm not saying that the drug certainly works, but the way we've approached it is childish. You have social media sites blocking posts in which link studies citing that the posts violate their policy on disinformation.

I just feel like we are truly on the brink of civil war. I think Biden being elected and doing things that really disturb conservatives while in office could be the spark. You have liberals already being violent. Conservatives are angry but haven't gotten violent yet. Once conservatives get angry enough to turn to violence, you are right there at mutual violence, which tends to grow exponentially.

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Imagine all the people, hoohooo, 7 billion dying in 100 years. Gonna happen, the end of everyon3s road. Its easy if you try, hoodoo

Now Doug Peterson has it, all players are getting it. Get people used to no football, starve the animals, fingers crossed

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Apparently all of the Cardinals are testing positive because the Marlins didn't follow the rules. :D

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hitta made a good point. It's not just the deaths that are disturbing. It's the ongoing lung and heart problems. Just because you've had it doesn't mean anything other than you've got more trips to the ER down the road.

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Nope. A few of the idiot Cardinal players "reportedly" hit a strip club at a casino. The other 28 teams following their protocols (albeit no where near as strict as NFL protocols) are experiencing no issues.

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It's my understanding that those heart and lung problems are associated with symptomatic cases, not asymptomatic cases. If you have pneumonia for example (with no COVID) you can experience difficulties with lung damage later, as well.

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CFR vs IFR tell two stories. Especially when you account for age.

I'm not here to argue either but narratives change with both numbers.

Bottom line; wear a mask and don't infect grandma.

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The early IFR studies are horrible, because they have atrocious selection bias. When you are basing antibody prevalence in a community based on facebook ads, this is not a good study. When you choose an area in Germany which had a super spreader event, this is not a good study. When you choose grocery store shoppers as your basis for antibodies(when they are the most likely people to contract the virus), this is not a good study. These studies are very sensitive as the populations used to test are very small, which in turn makes the numerator/denominator problem even more pronounced. There is problems with testing the virus while the virus is still prevalent. What happens is the people that are most likely to have antibodies are the ones that are tested for antibodies.

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Two things people should be focusing on, raising their vitamin D levels(taking both Vitamin D3 and K2) and taking some sort of supplementation to raise glutathione levels(n-acetyl cysteine and glycine or S-acetyl glutathione). Both vitamin D and glutathione levels have a very strong inverse correlation with covid mortality. Liposomal Vitamin C and Zinc supplements(such as lozenges) aren't bad choice either. One of the biggest keys seems to be lowering the amount of IL-6 and TNF-α that your immune system responds with.

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I know of people with no underlying problems who are having complications. They are losing their hair and having breathing issues. Also the fatigue stays with you for a much longer time. We are still collecting data on the new virus. And we will, once again, have to rethink everything we learned yesterday, last week and since this virus came to our shores.