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WW_Who_Dat 09-02-2020 07:55 AM
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How long were you in pain after you had it? Did it fix the issue?
Does not fix the issue, the infusions help calm inflammation/pain from impingement cause by stenosis. The stenosis is result of severe back injury age and deterioration which impinges on the Sciatic nerve branches.

Current Fix would be complicated structural back surgery, hoping for progress along the line mentioned by rezburna.🙏

Infusions work but just don’t last.:bng::bng: Since 1967.

gosaints1 09-02-2020 08:07 AM
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I think rezburna can verify this, but I am fairly sure that ESI's are not that uncommon in athletes. I do know that they require obtaining from vigorous activities for a short period (a day or two at least) following the procedure ... and for some of the worried few out there, the last I heard was they do not lead to being traded. :D
Agreed, they aren’t uncommon in many different industries. And no, the procedure isn’t related to being traded, but injuries behind them are extremely common to being traded. There wouldn’t be a procedure if there wasn’t a reason for that procedure.

gosaints1 09-02-2020 08:13 AM
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It never ceases to amaze me how quickly misinformation spreads across the internet. So much of it is based upon blogs containing "what if" scenarios due to the lack of real news. They are immediately interpreted by a lazy portion of readers as based in fact who immediately share with like thinking friends or, even worse, embellish it more with their own interpretation. Remember the game in class where one person whispered a designated message in the second person's ear and it is passed throughout the room the same way? Remember that result?
That’s what this forum is, a place to discuss football topics related to the New Orleans Saints. It’s not some peer reviewed digital journal on ProQuest, Ebsco, MedLine or LexisNexis. It’s just fans chatting, nothing more, nothing less. And icymi, this every posting here is that “game in class” you referred to. Even the link-backs are nothing more than op-Ed fodder. These postings, mine and yours aren’t capstone projects.

Great Goobly Moobly.

AsylumGuido 09-02-2020 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by gosaints1 (Post 895207)
Agreed, they aren’t uncommon in many different industries. And no, the procedure isn’t related to being traded, but injuries behind them are extremely common to being traded. There wouldn’t be a procedure if there wasn’t a reason for that procedure.
That reason isn't required to be chronic in nature, either. Yes, in many cases it is administered due to chronic conditions, but "one off" applications are used to treat minor disc herniation, for example, which is usually temporary. It appears that is the most common condition for which athletes receive the ESI, at least according to Mr. Google.

AsylumGuido 09-02-2020 08:29 AM
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That’s what this forum is, a place to discuss football topics related to the New Orleans Saints. It’s not some peer reviewed digital journal on ProQuest, Ebsco, MedLine or LexisNexis. It’s just fans chatting, nothing more, nothing less. And icymi, this every posting here is that “game in class” you referred to. Even the link-backs are nothing more than op-Ed fodder. These postings, mine and yours aren’t capstone projects.

Great Goobly Moobly.
No doubt! My observation was anecdotal. The internet allows many times more ears to be whispered into, more quickly. The issue is that not every individual realizes this phenomenon and some take the rendition they see to their graves as fact. The affect of that misinformation is wide ranging. Most often is has little to no significant affect, I would imagine. Others turn into "Bountygates".

:(

rezburna 09-02-2020 08:41 AM
Re: Kamara is now holding out
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 895205)
I think rezburna can verify this, but I am fairly sure that ESI's are not that uncommon in athletes. I do know that they require obtaining from vigorous activities for a short period (a day or two at least) following the procedure ... and for some of the worried few out there, the last I heard was they do not lead to being traded. :D
ESI’s, RFA’s, SI Joint injections, TFI’s, all common. It’s easy as **** to tweak the back.

Beastmode 09-02-2020 08:45 AM
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I want a piece of the action from anyone wanting to make that wager. All of my proposed wagers to date have been ignored thus far this season.

:p

Probably because it's a stupid wager and highly improbable they have the balls to trade their best player like most teams other than the Pats unless that player is running their mouth and acting crazy like AB.

If Kamara starts running his mouth though I'll take you up on it. I will win that bet.

SmashMouth 09-02-2020 08:46 AM
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I stayed in near debilitating pain for another 2 weeks after the shot. I couldn’t really walk for 2 weeks prior to the shot, so I was down for over a month total. I’ve had a sort of numb feeling in big toe eversince. I couldn’t sleep. Went from 190 lbs to 170 lbs because I lost my appetite. It didn’t go away until my sister in law gave me roxicodone. I refuse to take medicine, but I was desperate. I finally started being able to sleep and the pain went from debilitating to just my normal back pain I’ve been dealing with since I was 18. That’s when I realized it can be extremely easy to get addicted to pills if you’re always in pain.

I’m rambling. But I work in x-ray so I’ve run the c-arm in thousands of those procedures. Results are a mixed bag. Some people get relief for months, some don’t really get any at all.
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ESI’s, RFA’s, SI Joint injections, TFI’s, all common. It’s easy as **** to tweak the back.
My late stepson got hooked on pharmaceuticals for a work related back injury 15 plus years ago. There is more in place now to prevent abuses. Sad and tough thing is he had to take the very same meds he got hooked on when he got cancer at a way too young of an age.

gosaints1 09-02-2020 08:55 AM
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AG, Gotcha. I understand your point now. For some reason I read your post in a manner that felt almost in a condescending manner, that only a few are allowed to have “true” or “dogmatic” opinions. Thanks for expounding on your post so I could understand it in context.

As far as chronic or acute injuries, I don’t differentiate between the two. Kamara didn’t wake up that morning and say: “hmmm, let’s see what sticking a needle inside my spine will feel like”. Outside of that, ie.. the nature or severity, I have zero clue. I just know if he did have a procedure it wasn’t because he was bored with life.

You, everyone, have my apology for posting in frustration. It’s why I prefer to read and not post. If a thought crosses my neural network, it generally pops out in an audible manner almost immediately. Too many years in combat boots.

AsylumGuido 09-02-2020 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by gosaints1 (Post 895216)
AG, Gotcha. I understand your point now. For some reason I read your post in a manner that felt almost in a condescending manner, that only a few are allowed to have “true” or “dogmatic” opinions. Thanks for expounding on your post so I could understand it in context.

As far as chronic or acute injuries, I don’t differentiate between the two. Kamara didn’t wake up that morning and say: “hmmm, let’s see what sticking a needle inside my spine will feel like”. Outside of that, ie.. the nature or severity, I have zero clue. I just know if he did have a procedure it wasn’t because he was bored with life.

You, everyone, have my apology for posting in frustration. It’s why I prefer to read and not post. If a thought crosses my neural network, it generally pops out in an audible manner almost immediately. Too many years in combat boots.
No problem. It's definitely not the first time a response that I have made was taken in the wrong context. I have a bad habit of responding to posts and using it as a jumping off point for something unrelated. It is easy for it to be taken out of context when it is posted out of context. LOL!

Edit: And, by all means, keep posting!


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