Kamara is now holding out
 

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A week before the season starts?

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I forgot Bilbo was his agent. Moss Point legend. One of the best high school player I’ve ever seen. Smart tactic. Pay the man.

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Actually, he is "holding in", not holding out. The new CBA rules make it very punitive to refuse to report (or hold out) with greater fines and loss of time served. Players are reporting and then just not showing up to activities. I agree with, rez. Pay the man. And rez is also right that Bilbo is running this show. Kamara is doing what he is advised by his agent. That is the course of action followed by most players. That's what you are paying them for.

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Deadlines create leverage. Kamara's agent knows that as does Loomis.

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In these situations I always ask myself what would the Patriots do.

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BB would trade his arse. Since we do have Ty Montgomery, maybe that thought has crossed SP's head? What does the Whole Foods meat guy think?

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Naw. A healthy Kamara is a mismatch that Payton would never get rid of at this point. He has a whole 200 pages of his masterpiece offense this year depending upon Kamara. Montgomery couldn't hold his jockstrap. LOL! And Ty could still be pretty darned good for us.

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Kamara's deal will get done before Tampa comes to town.

Bet.

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I want a piece of the action from anyone wanting to make that wager. All of my proposed wagers to date have been ignored thus far this season.

:p

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More excited about expanding Deonte Harris' role than Montgomery.

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Ty Montgomery is a really good player; especially when he doesn’t have to be the feature guy.

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He’ll get his walking papers and we will sign Fournette.

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Championship.

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I think Pierre was the superior runner between the tackles. I’d actually liken his role to Reggie Bush. When you line Montgomery up at WR he can run most of the route tree. You have to respect him as a legit WR threat. If there’s a LB or a S on him I’d say he’s more legit than Kamara.

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I do think we should sign LF. He wants to come home. He might come cheaply on a prove it deal. It’s all about win now this year. We can deal with the future later. If he wants to be here, make him an offer and tell opposing defenses they have to deal with Fournette, Kamara, Montgomery, and Murray with Michael Thomas and Emmanuel Sanders on the outside.

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No, understand their styles being totally different, I'm referring to a 3rd down role standpoint which is what we knew we were getting when we signed him...

He's a prototypical slotback from the wishbone offense, and should be lethal out of the slot, something we've not had since Willie the IV Snead...

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Fournette caught 76 passes last year. I know this won't happen but it would work. Get him for cheaper 2 year deal, trade Kamara. What DL would want to face two bowling balls all game long. We could start punishing teams, eat massive clock then go for kill shots downfield. I just drank a couple Maker Marks so leave me alone ok.

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Dude... need to set you up with some Basil Hayden. :bng:

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I doubt LF clears waivers.

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Got you. Yes, I completely agree.

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:roflmao:

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^^^^

This!

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In case someone can't access the link ... Kamara's going nowhere.

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An Alvin Kamara absence doesn't have as much teeth as most NFL holdouts

A report from ESPN’s Adam Schefter suggested a three-day absence for Alvin Kamara at New Orleans Saints training camp was related to contract negotiations shook up the fanbase, and rightfully so: of course fans would hope one of the team’s best players was practicing every day.

But if Kamara is holding out in hopes of spurring on contract talks, he might end up being disappointed. The new collective bargaining agreement between NFL ownership and the NFL Players Association effectively killed prolonged holdouts for players on rookie contracts, including Kamara.

Per the new CBA, players who record unexcused absences during training camp are subject to fines as high as $40,000 per day. The team can choose to waive those fines, and they often have, to maintain good relations between both sides after a deal is done; but the real threat to Kamara is losing his accrued season.

If he misses more than five days of practice, Kamara will not be credited an accrued season for 2020 even if he plays in all 16 regular season games. That means he would be a restricted free agent in 2021 rather than an unrestricted free agent as he’s currently scheduled.

Kamara would then be forced to sign a one-year restricted free agent tender with the Saints, valued at between $4 and $5 million. It would work essentially the same way as a franchise tag, except for costing the Saints less than half as much against the salary cap.

Some fans might point to the three-day holdout Michael Thomas used to help speed up his own contract negotiations in training camp last year, but that was a different situation working underneath a different CBA. The risk is much higher for Kamara now than it was for Thomas then.

Per Schefter’s report, Kamara has already logged three unexcused absences. Two more and he risks costing himself significantly further on down the line, should the Saints not be spurred into signing him to a new deal.

Fortunately, both sides want an extension to happen. It’s in everyone’s interest for this situation to get resolved quickly so that Kamara can focus on the 2020 season while being paid his worth, and for the Saints to cross one item off their 2021 free agency shopping list. This bit of pressure from Kamara — slight as it may be, in the grand scheme of things — might just be what’s needed to push things over the finish line.

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It may sound old but pay the man. He's earned it by performing at an elite level....when Payton is running him in the ground.

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Uhoh, are the saints having cap problems again 😅🤣😆😂. Better sign a consistently injured left guard for 73 years. Niceee. Trade away your draft picks and sign away the future. Where have I seen that play out before? Oh thats right in the we are one player away new Orleans saints olympics.

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I would rather have one player/trades like Kamara or Davenport than drafts resembling staying put at #6 with DT Johnathon Sullivan. Quantity =/= Quality, I’ll always choose quality. As far as cap space, Saints are ok right now, absent situation with Kamara, but I fully expect that to be fleshed out at least to the point where he is satisfied with ongoing negotiations and playing week one at a high level, if he isn’t officially extended. I don’t see this being an ongoing issue. He has earned a pay raise though, most everybody will agree.

As far as next year’s cap space..., oof. Just a big serious oof. And it could even be worse, a lot worse if cap ceiling is reduced by $25MUSD as a few experts are opining. To be fair, I’ve never believed in the “kick the can down the road” with your financial obligations. But, there is some truth to the “I’ll address that when I need to” mindset. Loomis/Payton should, imho, be given the benefit of the doubt here. They’ve proven very adept and nimble in maneuvering around the cap.

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In a cost accounting sense (which is exactly what cap management is) it makes all the sense in the world to keep "kicking the can down the road" for as long as you can. Yes, there is a good chance the 2021 will be an anomaly, but based upon the fact that every year since the inception of the cap it has increased annually. Look at it this way ...

In the base year the contract amount, $10, is 5% of the cap, $200.

Given an approximate 5% increase in the cap annually in year two the cap is $200 * 1.05 or $210. The contract amount of $10 "kicked" into year two is only 4.76% ($10/$210) of the cap.

If "kicked" into year three with the same standard cap increase the contract amount decreases to 4.53% ($10/($210 * 1.05)) of the cap.

In the world of cap management it makes no sense NOT to "kick" as much down the road as is possible. Of course, the players want to be paid now, so the best method of "kicking that can" is in the form of signing bonuses which gives the player the total cash amount up front while the book amount is spread over the remainder of the contract. Loomis commonly writes annual roster bonuses into contracts. These roster bonuses can be converted at the team's discretion to signing bonuses to "kick the can" some more. It works the same for the player. They still get that cash right away, even sooner if the conversion occurs prior to the roster bonus date.

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BB has always had a lot of picks and he many more SB than SP. I'll take their approach. The saints have played in only one SB. It was an unimaginable moment and it has never been replicated by SP. Instead he nearly lost to the Eagles two seasons ago, lost to the vikings at home last year, and in one of the most embarrassing moments got beat in the playoffs by a sub 500 team. In 10 years he has not been able to get back, maybe giving away too many picks and poor cap management are his issue.

But when they start losing this season it is going to be hilarious. I for one cannot wait

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Would not be smart. Fournette is a bulldozer. Saints offense requires a finesse back with hands to create the triple threat. Fournette could, maybe, replace Murray, but Fournette also has been mediocre and injured.

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Well Mixon got paid. I read 4yr/48m

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He caught 76 passes last year. He has finesse. Despite running behind one of the weakest OL in the league still averaging over 4 a carry.



They both have played 3 seasons. LF has started 11 more games RS.



Would I rather have Kamara. Absolutely. He ain't worth breaking the bank anymore over though but we are going to do it. Enjoy your Kamara.

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spbk, you’re spot on accurate here wrt BB and his success and differences in management style and philosophies. I’m with you also, and I personally lean towards the belief that preparing for the future leads to more success than reacting to the daily crucible will. And I also believe that the last three seasons have been failures, I am a Ricky Bobby clone, lol. And I also believe that very shortly the Saints will be in full on rebuilding mode, notwithstanding Taysom or Winston being a stud QB and between you, me, and the four walls, nothing tells me this is going to come to pass.

But..., I do not want to see the Saints lose and/or fail. Regardless of who is QB and regardless of HC/GM. Also regardless of any ideological social justice warrior’ing and virtue signaling from ANYBODY.

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AG, Happy birthday my friend! Be safe & healthy. Difference of philosophies here, and I don’t agree with you. Anomalous year or not, right now the Saints are $39MUSD over the cap for next year, and it could be as much as $64MUSD. At some point in time the bill comes due, for everyone, and every organization. We all know ppl who live for the day only, and it’s just a matter of time before they’re bankrupt, been married three times, have two kids (non-custodial) paying $1200.00 a month in support which they can’t afford and are living in their parent’s basement at the age of 52. (This isn’t me!! , lol, yes I’m 52, but married only once, never again, ever, and thankfully have no kids). Organizations make the same stupid mistakes, very little difference between cap management and being fiscally responsible for a individual checkbook.

I just do firmly believe in one critical player at a pos’n of need is vastly more important than a full stable of draft picks. That being said, lol, the RW#34 trade was quite a bit excessive, and demonstrative of the fact that one player, alone, does not make a team.

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Just ignore spkb25, gosaints1. He's nothing more than a troll. His entire existence on this site is to attempt piss people off. As one of our most respected members confided to me offline, he/she views him as an "embarrassment" to the forums. An appropriate depiction, for sure.

As for rebuilding, I absolutely wouldn't color Brees as gone after this season. As he said in his live interview during NFL Radio's Camp Tour stop with the Saints, his decision to continue playing has and will continue to be based upon two things, his enjoyment of the game and his ability to play at a high level. He added that he still has both. People have been predicting his retirement for the past four years since he began with the virtual one year contracts.