Kamara is now holding out

K Major · 09-02-2020, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by shawnkytonk

Uhh....no thanks. Fournette hasn't been impressive since his rookie season. His numbers are due to volume and nothing else. AK is light years better in this offense.

Yep.

Super bowl or bust year. No sense in playing musical chairs at the RB position. Saints have very good RB's on the roster and familiarity with the system.

Shopping for another RB with similar skill set as Murray doesn't make much sense to me. If Leonard is smart (cleared waivers & can sign with any team), he'll stay far away from New Orleans as possible if he wants 15-25 touches a game. That ain't happening with Sean Payton.

Sure you can go find another RB however there aren't many who can do what AK can do.

He's special.

SmashMouth · 09-01-2020, 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

I'm all for trading him and picking up LF. All for it. Kamara is a gadget(scat) back that has to have a big hole to run between tackles, LF can make his own hole, smashing and gashing. LF is the perfect back with Murray to beat a D into submission.Ground game well over 125 yds per game. Ground and pound with most opposing D's playing the passing game now days would be the way to go, and totally take pressure of of Brees, oh, we have the O-line to do it with to.

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WillSaints81 · 09-02-2020, 12:20 AM

We have to worry about Lattimore and Ram, and they are more important.

gosaints1 · 09-02-2020, 08:55 AM

AG, Gotcha. I understand your point now. For some reason I read your post in a manner that felt almost in a condescending manner, that only a few are allowed to have “true” or “dogmatic” opinions. Thanks for expounding on your post so I could understand it in context.

As far as chronic or acute injuries, I don’t differentiate between the two. Kamara didn’t wake up that morning and say: “hmmm, let’s see what sticking a needle inside my spine will feel like”. Outside of that, ie.. the nature or severity, I have zero clue. I just know if he did have a procedure it wasn’t because he was bored with life.

You, everyone, have my apology for posting in frustration. It’s why I prefer to read and not post. If a thought crosses my neural network, it generally pops out in an audible manner almost immediately. Too many years in combat boots.

AsylumGuido · 09-02-2020, 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

AG, Gotcha. I understand your point now. For some reason I read your post in a manner that felt almost in a condescending manner, that only a few are allowed to have “true” or “dogmatic” opinions. Thanks for expounding on your post so I could understand it in context.

As far as chronic or acute injuries, I don’t differentiate between the two. Kamara didn’t wake up that morning and say: “hmmm, let’s see what sticking a needle inside my spine will feel like”. Outside of that, ie.. the nature or severity, I have zero clue. I just know if he did have a procedure it wasn’t because he was bored with life.

You, everyone, have my apology for posting in frustration. It’s why I prefer to read and not post. If a thought crosses my neural network, it generally pops out in an audible manner almost immediately. Too many years in combat boots.

No problem. It's definitely not the first time a response that I have made was taken in the wrong context. I have a bad habit of responding to posts and using it as a jumping off point for something unrelated. It is easy for it to be taken out of context when it is posted out of context. LOL!

Edit: And, by all means, keep posting!

Rugby Saint II · 09-02-2020, 11:37 AM

I love what Kamara brings to the team. His agent is a tough cookie though and may walk him right out of New Orleans for bigger bucks.

RefsRobbedUs · 09-12-2020, 12:04 PM

Kamara is going to have to ball out this year to justify the contract he just got

SaintFanInATLHELL · 09-12-2020, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by RefsRobbedUs

Kamara is going to have to ball out this year to justify the contract he just got

No, he doesn't. Everyone seems to keep falling into this sunk cost fallacy, beliving that a huge investment requires some huge jump in productivity to justify the investment.

Kamara's previous productivity is sufficient for the current top 5 RB market. So, he needs to do nothing more than what he's already done.

A quick look at the numbers already shows that it's smoke and mirrors accounting anyway. It's a 3 year, $36 million extension with 2 extra years and $40 extra million tacked on the back end. Kamara will either never see, or will have to restructure that back end money. So it's $12 million a year, 3 year contract, which is still not breaking the bank for a top 3-5 RB.

Just like everyone else, Kamara's key ability needs to be availability. Especially in the postseason. With both Murray and Ty Montgomery available, I hope CSP manages Kamara's touches during the season so that he can go and be special during the playoffs.

SFIAH

09-02-2020, 10:55 AM	#1
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,844 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Kamara is now holding out Originally Posted by shawnkytonk Uhh....no thanks. Fournette hasn't been impressive since his rookie season. His numbers are due to volume and nothing else. AK is light years better in this offense. Yep. Super bowl or bust year. No sense in playing musical chairs at the RB position. Saints have very good RB's on the roster and familiarity with the system. Shopping for another RB with similar skill set as Murray doesn't make much sense to me. If Leonard is smart (cleared waivers & can sign with any team), he'll stay far away from New Orleans as possible if he wants 15-25 touches a game. That ain't happening with Sean Payton. Sure you can go find another RB however there aren't many who can do what AK can do. He's special. gosaints1 likes this.

09-01-2020, 09:06 PM	#2
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 39,019 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Kamara is now holding out Originally Posted by halloween 65 I'm all for trading him and picking up LF. All for it. Kamara is a gadget(scat) back that has to have a big hole to run between tackles, LF can make his own hole, smashing and gashing. LF is the perfect back with Murray to beat a D into submission.Ground game well over 125 yds per game. Ground and pound with most opposing D's playing the passing game now days would be the way to go, and totally take pressure of of Brees, oh, we have the O-line to do it with to. Twitter halloween 65 likes this.

09-02-2020, 12:20 AM	#3
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,285	Re: Kamara is now holding out We have to worry about Lattimore and Ram, and they are more important. gosaints1 likes this.

09-02-2020, 08:55 AM	#4
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Kamara is now holding out AG, Gotcha. I understand your point now. For some reason I read your post in a manner that felt almost in a condescending manner, that only a few are allowed to have “true” or “dogmatic” opinions. Thanks for expounding on your post so I could understand it in context. As far as chronic or acute injuries, I don’t differentiate between the two. Kamara didn’t wake up that morning and say: “hmmm, let’s see what sticking a needle inside my spine will feel like”. Outside of that, ie.. the nature or severity, I have zero clue. I just know if he did have a procedure it wasn’t because he was bored with life. You, everyone, have my apology for posting in frustration. It’s why I prefer to read and not post. If a thought crosses my neural network, it generally pops out in an audible manner almost immediately. Too many years in combat boots.
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09-02-2020, 09:06 AM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,759	Re: Kamara is now holding out Originally Posted by gosaints1 AG, Gotcha. I understand your point now. For some reason I read your post in a manner that felt almost in a condescending manner, that only a few are allowed to have “true” or “dogmatic” opinions. Thanks for expounding on your post so I could understand it in context. As far as chronic or acute injuries, I don’t differentiate between the two. Kamara didn’t wake up that morning and say: “hmmm, let’s see what sticking a needle inside my spine will feel like”. Outside of that, ie.. the nature or severity, I have zero clue. I just know if he did have a procedure it wasn’t because he was bored with life. You, everyone, have my apology for posting in frustration. It’s why I prefer to read and not post. If a thought crosses my neural network, it generally pops out in an audible manner almost immediately. Too many years in combat boots. No problem. It's definitely not the first time a response that I have made was taken in the wrong context. I have a bad habit of responding to posts and using it as a jumping off point for something unrelated. It is easy for it to be taken out of context when it is posted out of context. LOL! Edit: And, by all means, keep posting!

09-02-2020, 11:37 AM	#6
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,198	Re: Kamara is now holding out I love what Kamara brings to the team. His agent is a tough cookie though and may walk him right out of New Orleans for bigger bucks. gosaints1 likes this.

09-12-2020, 12:04 PM	#7
RefsRobbedUs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2019 Posts: 659	Re: Kamara is now holding out Kamara is going to have to ball out this year to justify the contract he just got
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09-12-2020, 01:16 PM	#8
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,787	Re: Kamara is now holding out Originally Posted by RefsRobbedUs Kamara is going to have to ball out this year to justify the contract he just got No, he doesn't. Everyone seems to keep falling into this sunk cost fallacy, beliving that a huge investment requires some huge jump in productivity to justify the investment. Kamara's previous productivity is sufficient for the current top 5 RB market. So, he needs to do nothing more than what he's already done. A quick look at the numbers already shows that it's smoke and mirrors accounting anyway. It's a 3 year, $36 million extension with 2 extra years and $40 extra million tacked on the back end. Kamara will either never see, or will have to restructure that back end money. So it's $12 million a year, 3 year contract, which is still not breaking the bank for a top 3-5 RB. Just like everyone else, Kamara's key ability needs to be availability. Especially in the postseason. With both Murray and Ty Montgomery available, I hope CSP manages Kamara's touches during the season so that he can go and be special during the playoffs. SFIAH AsylumGuido and SaintGnome like this.
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