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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by ChrisXVI https://twitter.com/josinaanderson/s...90569049346053 I pounded this idea during the draft and people thought I was crazy. He was hurt last year, and you could tell. If the saints get 3 more years at a high level they'll be ...

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Old 09-01-2020, 11:06 PM   #1
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I pounded this idea during the draft and people thought I was crazy. He was hurt last year, and you could tell. If the saints get 3 more years at a high level they'll be fortunate. He is amazing, but the pounding( not the same as Drew was taking this offseason) will take its toll on anyone.
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I pounded this idea during the draft and people thought I was crazy. He was hurt last year, and you could tell. If the saints get 3 more years at a high level they'll be fortunate. He is amazing, but the pounding( not the same as Drew was taking this offseason) will take its toll on anyone.
By his own admission, he recently said the injury was very serious. So, you have a legitimate point wrt that knee’s health. Not to mention there is significant history with that knee going all the way back to his redshirted freshman year attending Alabama, which required arthroscopic surgery, LCL tear iirc. And additional damage, missing games while at Tenn.

Just like DB#9’s arm, I want to see Kamara’s knee in action, and hold up repeatedly to the rigors of the game. If the deep ball play is called and Payton habitually brings in Taysom, then that’s the proof in the pudding, regardless of what any forumite here may state. Same for Kamara’s knee..., in all truthiness the fact that he’s already needing an epidural steroid injection worries me quite a bit wrt his “overall” health, I keep in mind that I’m not a fly on the wall there, so I know nothing truly about what’s going on in Kamara world. I’ll withhold judgement on that until the play on the field is shown. Play on the field..., the only thing that matters.

Regardless of what happens, or him staying/going, I like the young man. I’ve never read a story that spoke of him in anything other than a positive light. We’ve all made mistakes, and I hope he is healthy and successful wherever he roams. Preferably staying, lol.
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Old 09-02-2020, 07:43 AM   #3
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It never ceases to amaze me how quickly misinformation spreads across the internet. So much of it is based upon blogs containing "what if" scenarios due to the lack of real news. They are immediately interpreted by a lazy portion of readers as based in fact who immediately share with like thinking friends or, even worse, embellish it more with their own interpretation. Remember the game in class where one person whispered a designated message in the second person's ear and it is passed throughout the room the same way? Remember that result?
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Old 09-02-2020, 08:13 AM   #4
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It never ceases to amaze me how quickly misinformation spreads across the internet. So much of it is based upon blogs containing "what if" scenarios due to the lack of real news. They are immediately interpreted by a lazy portion of readers as based in fact who immediately share with like thinking friends or, even worse, embellish it more with their own interpretation. Remember the game in class where one person whispered a designated message in the second person's ear and it is passed throughout the room the same way? Remember that result?
That’s what this forum is, a place to discuss football topics related to the New Orleans Saints. It’s not some peer reviewed digital journal on ProQuest, Ebsco, MedLine or LexisNexis. It’s just fans chatting, nothing more, nothing less. And icymi, this every posting here is that “game in class” you referred to. Even the link-backs are nothing more than op-Ed fodder. These postings, mine and yours aren’t capstone projects.

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Old 09-02-2020, 08:29 AM   #5
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That’s what this forum is, a place to discuss football topics related to the New Orleans Saints. It’s not some peer reviewed digital journal on ProQuest, Ebsco, MedLine or LexisNexis. It’s just fans chatting, nothing more, nothing less. And icymi, this every posting here is that “game in class” you referred to. Even the link-backs are nothing more than op-Ed fodder. These postings, mine and yours aren’t capstone projects.

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No doubt! My observation was anecdotal. The internet allows many times more ears to be whispered into, more quickly. The issue is that not every individual realizes this phenomenon and some take the rendition they see to their graves as fact. The affect of that misinformation is wide ranging. Most often is has little to no significant affect, I would imagine. Others turn into "Bountygates".

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Old 09-02-2020, 07:51 AM   #6
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By his own admission, he recently said the injury was very serious. So, you have a legitimate point wrt that knee’s health. Not to mention there is significant history with that knee going all the way back to his redshirted freshman year attending Alabama, which required arthroscopic surgery, LCL tear iirc. And additional damage, missing games while at Tenn.

Just like DB#9’s arm, I want to see Kamara’s knee in action, and hold up repeatedly to the rigors of the game. If the deep ball play is called and Payton habitually brings in Taysom, then that’s the proof in the pudding, regardless of what any forumite here may state. Same for Kamara’s knee..., in all truthiness the fact that he’s already needing an epidural steroid injection worries me quite a bit wrt his “overall” health, I keep in mind that I’m not a fly on the wall there, so I know nothing truly about what’s going on in Kamara world. I’ll withhold judgement on that until the play on the field is shown. Play on the field..., the only thing that matters.

Regardless of what happens, or him staying/going, I like the young man. I’ve never read a story that spoke of him in anything other than a positive light. We’ve all made mistakes, and I hope he is healthy and successful wherever he roams. Preferably staying, lol.
I think rezburna can verify this, but I am fairly sure that ESI's are not that uncommon in athletes. I do know that they require obtaining from vigorous activities for a short period (a day or two at least) following the procedure ... and for some of the worried few out there, the last I heard was they do not lead to being traded.
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I think rezburna can verify this, but I am fairly sure that ESI's are not that uncommon in athletes. I do know that they require obtaining from vigorous activities for a short period (a day or two at least) following the procedure ... and for some of the worried few out there, the last I heard was they do not lead to being traded.
Agreed, they aren’t uncommon in many different industries. And no, the procedure isn’t related to being traded, but injuries behind them are extremely common to being traded. There wouldn’t be a procedure if there wasn’t a reason for that procedure.
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Agreed, they aren’t uncommon in many different industries. And no, the procedure isn’t related to being traded, but injuries behind them are extremely common to being traded. There wouldn’t be a procedure if there wasn’t a reason for that procedure.
That reason isn't required to be chronic in nature, either. Yes, in many cases it is administered due to chronic conditions, but "one off" applications are used to treat minor disc herniation, for example, which is usually temporary. It appears that is the most common condition for which athletes receive the ESI, at least according to Mr. Google.
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I think rezburna can verify this, but I am fairly sure that ESI's are not that uncommon in athletes. I do know that they require obtaining from vigorous activities for a short period (a day or two at least) following the procedure ... and for some of the worried few out there, the last I heard was they do not lead to being traded.
ESI’s, RFA’s, SI Joint injections, TFI’s, all common. It’s easy as **** to tweak the back.
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I stayed in near debilitating pain for another 2 weeks after the shot. I couldn’t really walk for 2 weeks prior to the shot, so I was down for over a month total. I’ve had a sort of numb feeling in big toe eversince. I couldn’t sleep. Went from 190 lbs to 170 lbs because I lost my appetite. It didn’t go away until my sister in law gave me roxicodone. I refuse to take medicine, but I was desperate. I finally started being able to sleep and the pain went from debilitating to just my normal back pain I’ve been dealing with since I was 18. That’s when I realized it can be extremely easy to get addicted to pills if you’re always in pain.

I’m rambling. But I work in x-ray so I’ve run the c-arm in thousands of those procedures. Results are a mixed bag. Some people get relief for months, some don’t really get any at all.
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ESI’s, RFA’s, SI Joint injections, TFI’s, all common. It’s easy as **** to tweak the back.
My late stepson got hooked on pharmaceuticals for a work related back injury 15 plus years ago. There is more in place now to prevent abuses. Sad and tough thing is he had to take the very same meds he got hooked on when he got cancer at a way too young of an age.
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