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gosaints1 09-10-2020 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 896013)
Could that excuse be because of a bad bounce, or a bad call, or a bad play? Yup. That his fault.

;)

Never said it was his, nor ANYONE’S fault individually..., but the record is what the record is. Every team out there has bad calls, bad plays, and bad bounces. That’s an excuse, not a reason.

AsylumGuido 09-10-2020 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by gosaints1 (Post 896012)
Sure, while compiling a 2-3 playoff record. Which, imho, is the only record that matters.

How many snaps did he take under center? How many snaps did he take covering downfield? How many ....

I hope you get the idea. The NFL post season is based upon so much luck, or lack of, that is how Vegas always makes its money. The best team doesn't always win.

But, I will you you with every bit of my passion as a Saints fan since I was nine years old in 1967 that a 2-3 playoff record is great if that is what it is. I cannot see the waste of energy to think otherwise.

AsylumGuido 09-10-2020 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by gosaints1 (Post 896014)
Never said it was his, nor ANYONE’S fault individually..., but the record is what the record is. Every team out there has bad calls, bad plays, and bad bounces. That’s an excuse, not a reason.

And every team doesn't win it all. What is your real reason why he should have won it all? What did he do wrong that he and no other could have done better to win it all?

Waiting ...

AsylumGuido 09-10-2020 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by gosaints1 (Post 896012)
Sure, while compiling a 2-3 playoff record. Which, imho, is the only record that matters.

What could he do better? Simple question that dizzle has only attempted to answer.

dizzle88 09-10-2020 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 896008)
But how to do better? He's human. He has done the best job of any coach in Saints history to make us relevant. Give him credit for that. But, how much is truly on him. There are a dozen other coaches, 53 players, all those officials, and the damned shape of the ball that come into play.

What is it exactly he needs to do better? I have to give it to you, diz. You are the first one out of the many others that has even attempted to answer that question.

Much respect!

So for me its the following;

Play calling and general Game Management/ awareness in the playoffs is extremely suspect.

He abandons the run far too quickly, Murray wanted to hurt his old team and Payton kept him on the sideline whilst Brees got destroyed behind a crumbling O line.
The only reason we were relevant at all in the Vikings game was because of the elements that Taysom Hill brought and despite the defense being gassed, they somehow still managed to keep it close, even despite constant 3 and outs by the offense.

2018 Rams game - everyone and I mean everyone knew the Rams were going to run a fake punt, I barely watched them all year and even I heard they have a tendency to do it. That play gave the Rams full momentum, even despite the no call, we were not winning that game once they had us on the ropes.

I sincerely hope adding Sanders to our offense will stop defenses being able to key on Kamara and Thomas as they tend to in the playoffs, but until proven otherwise, this Payton led team seems to be asleep in the playoffs, wakes up late in the 4th quarter, only to lose dramatically.

My honest opinion - I think Pete C should be the primary play caller, giving Payton more time to view the game from the overall perspective.

Lord_Saint83 09-10-2020 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 896009)
Works good enough to win more games than anyone else over the past three years. Is that losing the edge?


When the playoffs start coaches and players shift gears, while it seems the saints don’t. We didn’t hold a rusher for over 100 yards all year and Cook still injured runs all over us. It’s like they slept on Minny the coaches and players but it’s the coaches job to keep them from underestimating an opponent and throw caution to the wind in the playoffs cause the next week isn’t given to you

gosaints1 09-10-2020 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 896017)
And every team doesn't win it all. What is your real reason why he should have won it all? What did he do wrong that he and no other could have done better to win it all?

Waiting ...

What? lol, I don’t have to hyper-analyze everything everybody has done in each of the Saints seasons, successful or not, nor do I want to! The playoff record is what matters, it’s the only thing that matters, when it comes to equating success with a player or a HC. Don’t believe me? Ask Dan Marino. I’m VERY grateful for the 2009 season. I was there, Section 259, Row 4, Seat 9, my first year with season tickets! I was there for every game including the Championship game (didn’t make the SuperBowl ticket cut though, lol).

Bottom line, since then, all the talking heads discuss how great the QB is, how great the HC is, how loaded the team is..., and how many conference championships have the Saints won since then? Zero.

I don’t care about the reasons, I don’t care about what could have been done, I don’t evaluate the ppl, just the record/stats, aka the quantitative analysis.

AsylumGuido 09-10-2020 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by gosaints1 (Post 896022)
What? lol, I don’t have to hyper-analyze everything everybody has done in each of the Saints seasons, successful or not, nor do I want to! The playoff record is what matters, it’s the only thing that matters, when it comes to equating success with a player or a HC. Don’t believe me? Ask Dan Marino. I’m VERY grateful for the 2009 season. I was there, Section 259, Row 4, Seat 9, my first year with season tickets! I was there for every game including the Championship game (didn’t make the SuperBowl ticket cut though, lol).

Bottom line, since then, all the talking heads discuss how great the QB is, how great the HC is, how loaded the team is..., and how many conference championships have the Saints won since then? Zero.

I don’t care about the reasons, I don’t care about what could have been done, I don’t evaluate the ppl, just the record/stats, aka the quantitative analysis.

All very cool!

But, to repeat, what is your real reason why he should have won it all? What did he do wrong that he and no other could have done better to win it all?

Of course with all the emotion aside, if possible.

By the way, I spent my career dealing with quantitative analysis and five post-season games are not a viable sample for any cumulative analysis.

Try flipping a coin five times and you'll be quantitatively as accurate. Sorry, but it's the truth.

gosaints1 09-10-2020 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 896024)
All very cool!

But, to repeat, what is your real reason why he should have won it all? What did he do wrong that he and no other could have done better to win it all?

Of course with all the emotion aside, if possible.

By the way, I spent my career dealing with quantitative analysis and five post-season games are not a viable sample for any cumulative analysis.

Try flipping a coin five times and you'll be quantitatively as accurate. Sorry, but it's the truth.

The record IS the record. It is not indicative of anything future related, I’m not trying to predict a future, at all. The future will play out as it is going to. Who cares about a coin-toss? That 2-3 record is just factual, it is unambiguous and indisputable (sans the blatant missed call), but the records don’t list an asterisk, now do they? I deliberately didn’t answer your question bc it’s a subjective answer, it’s unprovable, in any way shape or form. Therefore it’s a waste of time and effort to even engage in it.

The records are the records are the records..., and they don’t lie.

Audiotom 09-10-2020 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 895942)
We'll see. I know several people that felt the same way after the 2019 season. Only Brees will know for sure and I believe him when he says he won't know until AFTER the season is over and he's had a few weeks to evaluate those two questions.

Drew got a 5 game rest in 2019
worked hard to come back and was stellar in the back half of 2020

shame the guards caused him a playoff win

RailBoss 09-10-2020 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Flipx99 (Post 895918)
If he gets near the NFCG he will most likely choke. But, after the game he can drop Brittany off at Jacob Blake's house and let her show how proud they are of him.

Funny when I saw the word choke, thought for a minute that this thread was about Atlanta. If you look up Choke in the dictionary Atlanta is listed as one of the examples.

RailBoss 09-10-2020 11:34 PM

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Drew got a 5 game rest in 2019
worked hard to come back and was stellar in the back half of 2020

shame the guards caused him a playoff win

...not to mention how much the Zebras love us.

jeanpierre 09-11-2020 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by RailBoss (Post 896042)
...not to mention how much the Zebras love us.

TommyLee's eyes, lmao...

jeanpierre 09-11-2020 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Audiotom (Post 896039)
Drew got a 5 game rest in 2019
worked hard to come back and was stellar in the back half of 2020

shame the guards caused him a playoff win

We had 'em, though. Taysom and Latavius were flat trucking that defense then Sean Hold My Beer Payton went and got cute, called an unfamiliar play/subpackage combination...

Receivers not where they were supposed to be on read/timing routes, an embattled Bress threw a pick under duress - Payton proudly played into the Vikings' strength, rather than keep going with what worked...

QBREES9 09-11-2020 11:50 AM

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Drew Brees is still the GOAT


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