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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by Flipx99 I doubt Jacob Blake's victim cares too much for the distinction you are trying to make. The man is a repeat sexual offender and his victim deserves to have what he did to her to be ...

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Old 09-10-2020, 03:19 PM   #21
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Re: NFL.com | Drew Brees: 'I'm on borrowed time' as Saints enter Super Bowl or bust season

Originally Posted by Flipx99 View Post
I doubt Jacob Blake's victim cares too much for the distinction you are trying to make. The man is a repeat sexual offender and his victim deserves to have what he did to her to be taken into consideration before celebrity athletes adorn their helmets with his name.

I can see where there is room to argue against the position that kneeling during the anthem is disrespectful to the military. I can also see the argument for why it is disrespectful to those who have served, even if that is not the intent.

What I can't agree with is the position that kneeling is not disrespectful to the National Anthem and the flag. O have heard that argument made and it is, IMO, disingenuous. Showing contempt is exactly the purpose.

If anyone had any doubt that "the movement" was destructive before Memorial Day, there has been more than enough evidence since to remove that doubt. The people who have suffered the most are the most vulnerable who live in those communities.
By the way, why was your account at that other "Saints site" shut down? Did you join over here recently to discuss Saints football or just to find a new venue to share your agenda?
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Old 09-10-2020, 05:20 PM   #22
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Re: NFL.com | Drew Brees: 'I'm on borrowed time' as Saints enter Super Bowl or bust season

Originally Posted by gosaints1 View Post
37-11 during the regular season, but 2-3 when the games actually matter.

Three seasons, Three failures on an epic level, including going 13-3 and losing in a wild card game.

That being said, I also think the Saints are a better team, “top to bottom” than the last three years of playoff failures have proven. The Saints are going to need those players to take success to the next level. Problem with the mindset of going “all in” is that if you don’t actually win the entire enchilada, then the entire year is a waste.

I think the playoff loses are more on Payton’s questionable gameplan, halftime adjustments and god awful clock management than Drew. And to be honest Zimmer just has Payton’s ass. He’s too cute and stubborn.
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Old 09-10-2020, 05:22 PM   #23
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Re: NFL.com | Drew Brees: 'I'm on borrowed time' as Saints enter Super Bowl or bust season

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido View Post
I don't remember anyone declaring Jacob Blake as any sort of "hero". Nor any of the others being recognized as having been inequitably treated by a few bad cops. The name tags were there as a gesture agreed upon via vote by the whole team. Every single player had the same name tag on their helmet. The individual players did not make that decision independently. But, regardless, the labeling it as hero worship of some sort is ludicrous and totally misinformed, just as the ludicrous notion that kneeling during the national anthem had something to do with the military. A number of persons made that connection because they were upset that the "uppity" blacks were complaining. These people claimed that they were upset because the military was being disrespected by the kneeling and claimed that the "uppity" blacks should find another way to protest. Well, now the same people are complaining about this other method of bringing attention to the inequalities. Is it truly the military being disrespected or are the "uppity" blacks and white snowflakes disrespecting someone else, instead?
Man AG, how totally divorced from reality you are.

"A number of persons made that connection because they were upset that the "uppity" blacks were complaining."
-Just a idiotic statement

People are praising Blake and putting his name on the uniform acknowledges that.

Here is your VP candidate praising Blake... https://thehill.com/homenews/media/5...of-jacob-blake

The NFL is going to honor Blake and other criminals because they were mistreated by the justice system (mistreatment happens to all races). However, when the cowboys wanted to honor 6 police officers that were murdered they were not allowed... odd set of values there.

The Saints are 0-42 when running the ball less than 15 times in a game.
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Old 09-10-2020, 05:30 PM   #24
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Re: NFL.com | Drew Brees: 'I'm on borrowed time' as Saints enter Super Bowl or bust season

Originally Posted by Flipx99 View Post
I doubt Jacob Blake's victim cares too much for the distinction you are trying to make. The man is a repeat sexual offender and his victim deserves to have what he did to her to be taken into consideration before celebrity athletes adorn their helmets with his name.

I can see where there is room to argue against the position that kneeling during the anthem is disrespectful to the military. I can also see the argument for why it is disrespectful to those who have served, even if that is not the intent.

What I can't agree with is the position that kneeling is not disrespectful to the National Anthem and the flag. O have heard that argument made and it is, IMO, disingenuous. Showing contempt is exactly the purpose.

If anyone had any doubt that "the movement" was destructive before Memorial Day, there has been more than enough evidence since to remove that doubt. The people who have suffered the most are the most vulnerable who live in those communities.
First of all, welcome to B&G

Second, don't take AG as a representation of this board. AG may post the most on here but his views are his own, as my views are my own. This forum so far, has had a lot of good discussion back and forth with solid logical discussions. But, word to the wise, avoid the back and forth with some posters, regardless of how convincing your argument they'll stay flatfooted.

Different opinions doesn't make someone your enemy, avoid making someone a villain. I know someone equated one of your first posts to some racist thought, but that's just because of their lack of intellect to challenge you on the merits of your position.
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Old 09-10-2020, 05:32 PM   #25
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Re: NFL.com | Drew Brees: 'I'm on borrowed time' as Saints enter Super Bowl or bust season

Originally Posted by blackangold View Post
Man AG, how totally divorced from reality you are.

"A number of persons made that connection because they were upset that the "uppity" blacks were complaining."
-Just a idiotic statement

People are praising Blake and putting his name on the uniform acknowledges that.

Here is your VP candidate praising Blake... https://thehill.com/homenews/media/5...of-jacob-blake

The NFL is going to honor Blake and other criminals because they were mistreated by the justice system (mistreatment happens to all races). However, when the cowboys wanted to honor 6 police officers that were murdered they were not allowed... odd set of values there.
LOL! My VP candidate? That is too hilarious. I'm voting Trump again. I don't want that brain dead Biden in office destroying my lifetime savings.

And nobody is "honoring" these people that were unfairly treated and nobody "praised" Jacob Blake. You apparently are not aware of the circumstances or wish to event your own narrative. They are using them as examples, blackandgold. BIG difference. It is as simple as that. What are you missing, my friend?

If you would look at it honestly without hate clouding your vision you would recognize that fact.
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Old 09-10-2020, 05:38 PM   #26
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I think the playoff loses are more on Payton’s questionable gameplan, halftime adjustments and god awful clock management than Drew. And to be honest Zimmer just has Payton’s ass. He’s too cute and stubborn.
Agreed, a million percent. In all truthiness, everybody has a difference of opinion on why the last three years ended the way they did. None are dogmatically right, none are dogmatically wrong either. Just differences of how we see things.

When it comes to Payton, I’ve taken the “live by the sword, you die...” attitude. He gets too “fancy” and “gadgety” in quite a few situations. It worked in 2009, but look at his postseason record since the SuperBowl year. We haven’t been above .500 in any of those years..., I’ll remind you, that’s a decade of futility.
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Old 09-10-2020, 05:39 PM   #27
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Re: NFL.com | Drew Brees: 'I'm on borrowed time' as Saints enter Super Bowl or bust season

Originally Posted by Flipx99 View Post
If he gets near the NFCG he will most likely choke. But, after the game he can drop Brittany off at Jacob Blake's house and let her show how proud they are of him.
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Old 09-10-2020, 05:57 PM   #28
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Originally Posted by gosaints1 View Post
Agreed, a million percent. In all truthiness, everybody has a difference of opinion on why the last three years ended the way they did. None are dogmatically right, none are dogmatically wrong either. Just differences of how we see things.

When it comes to Payton, I’ve taken the “live by the sword, you die...” attitude. He gets too “fancy” and “gadgety” in quite a few situations. It worked in 2009, but look at his postseason record since the SuperBowl year. We haven’t been above .500 in any of those years..., I’ll remind you, that’s a decade of futility.

I agree and I’ll go even further with Payton. The years when Drew was in his prime it was pissed away by bad defenses, bad signings, and bad drafting all of which Payton has control of. Loomis is just the bean counter. Thank god for Ireland helping quell Sean with the *****y drafting or we’d really be up sh*t creek. Now I’m not giving Drew a pass but it’s at least 75% Sean’s fault.
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Old 09-10-2020, 05:58 PM   #29
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Agreed, a million percent. In all truthiness, everybody has a difference of opinion on why the last three years ended the way they did. None are dogmatically right, none are dogmatically wrong either. Just differences of how we see things.

When it comes to Payton, I’ve taken the “live by the sword, you die...” attitude. He gets too “fancy” and “gadgety” in quite a few situations. It worked in 2009, but look at his postseason record since the SuperBowl year. We haven’t been above .500 in any of those years..., I’ll remind you, that’s a decade of futility.
And who could we do better with leading the Saints? Do you honesty believe after 40+ years of total failure that Payton is a failure now? How many other teams never even made it to the post season ever those years? Name every team other than the Patriots that had over a .500 post season record over that time.

Grass is always greener .......
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Old 09-10-2020, 05:59 PM   #30
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Payton has been getting outcoached in the playoffs since 2010.

The team doesnt have the ability to make that crucial stop or crucial conversion, we always leave the game open for the other team to make the plays, and they always do.

Which is a shame because during the regular season we often look unstoppable at times, then regardless of if we are at home or not, the team looks scared and intimidated in the playoffs. Especially the offense, they just let the opposing defense dictate the game, until late in the 4th quarter where they give us a glimmer of hope and then fall short.
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