Michael Thomas has a High Ankle Sprain

jeanpierre · 09-15-2020, 06:44 PM

Guess we'll see how much faith Sean Payton has in Tre'Quan Smith...

K Major · 09-15-2020, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Guess we'll see how much faith Sean Payton has in Tre'Quan Smith...

I for one won't be holding my breath.

Tre needs to be on the side of a milk carton.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 09-15-2020, 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

I for one won't be holding my breath.

Tre needs to be on the side of a milk carton.

Everyone dogs Smith. But he's out there because he does the jobs that Payton wants him to do.

Here's an example from the game. Kamara's TD run. Watch Smith come in motion and put on the kickout block that springs Kamara for the TD:

Alvin Kamara rushes for the td - YouTube

It's plays like this why he's out there. Folks expect him to be an all Pro when virtually on every play he's the 4th or 5th option out there. Even when a receiver is not the target, they need to generate the proper spacing and offer blocking. Tre is here because he does his job.

SFIAH

K Major · 09-15-2020, 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Everyone dogs Smith. But he's out there because he does the jobs that Payton wants him to do.

Here's an example from the game. Kamara's TD run. Watch Smith come in motion and put on the kickout block that springs Kamara for the TD:

Alvin Kamara rushes for the td - YouTube

It's plays like this why he's out there. Folks expect him to be an all Pro when virtually on every play he's the 4th or 5th option out there. Even when a receiver is not the target, they need to generate the proper spacing and offer blocking. Tre is here because he does his job.

SFIAH

No one is dogging him. He needs to produce.

Tre has been in NO 3 years and runs sloppy routes, rarely gets separation and does not fight for the football. He has confidence issues and is inconsistent.

Smith needs to prove he can be that WR3 after Ginn moving on and the front office not drafting another WR.

He's only shown flashes but going into year 3 he needs to show up (1 catch 4 yards vs TB), cut the mental errors and not disappear for weeks at a time. Period.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 09-15-2020, 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

No one is dogging him. He needs to produce.

Tre has been in NO 3 years and runs sloppy routes, rarely gets separation and does not fight for the football. He has confidence issues and is inconsistent.

Smith needs to prove he can be that WR3 after Ginn moving on and the front office not drafting another WR.

He's only shown flashes but going into year 3 he needs to show up (1 catch 4 yards vs TB), cut the mental errors and not disappear for weeks at a time. Period.

I find his case confusing. If he isn't producing to the expectation of Payton and Carmichael, then why do they keep running him out there? Last season he played in 16 games and was in 50% or more of the offensive snaps in 15 of those 16 games. He was in for 65% of the snaps Sunday. So if he's sloppy and lazy and lacks confidence, then why is he such a big part of the offense?

SFIAH

TheOak · 09-16-2020, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

I find his case confusing. If he isn't producing to the expectation of Payton and Carmichael, then why do they keep running him out there? Last season he played in 16 games and was in 50% or more of the offensive snaps in 15 of those 16 games. He was in for 65% of the snaps Sunday. So if he's sloppy and lazy and lacks confidence, then why is he such a big part of the offense?

SFIAH

So..... to simplify your logic. Having a uniform and getting on the field = to being a BIG part of an offense?

We should have just kept Garrett Hartley with all his misses... in every FG/Kickoff snap. Productivity is irrelevant.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 09-16-2020, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

So..... to simplify your logic. Having a uniform and getting on the field = to being a BIG part of an offense?

We should have just kept Garrett Hartley with all his misses... in every FG/Kickoff snap. Productivity is irrelevant.

I agree that productivity is relevant. I also agree that if a player is being unproductive, then they wouldn't be on the field.

Smith is on the field for a significant percentage of offensive plays. Why would the offensive brain trust continue to run him out on the field if they didn't think he was doing his job? They watch the tapes every week. They are in practice every day. They have every opportunity to determine that Tre'Quan shouldn't be out there. Yet he is.

One enlightening story to me is Tre's historic TD catch from Brees. It was pointed out that his route isn't normally targeted on that play. The ball simply isn't designed to go there. So, I figure there must be other plays that are like that in the Saints offense, and that even if Smith doesn't get a target, he's doing his job out there.

If Tre is an unproductive bad player, then why is out on the field?

SFIAH

The Dude · 09-16-2020, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Everyone dogs Smith. But he's out there because he does the jobs that Payton wants him to do.

Here's an example from the game. Kamara's TD run. Watch Smith come in motion and put on the kickout block that springs Kamara for the TD:

Alvin Kamara rushes for the td - YouTube

It's plays like this why he's out there. Folks expect him to be an all Pro when virtually on every play he's the 4th or 5th option out there. Even when a receiver is not the target, they need to generate the proper spacing and offer blocking. Tre is here because he does his job.

SFIAH

At the end of the day it’s the receivers job to catch balls, especially a player taken where he was in the draft. Hes just not doing it with any consistency. He’s not out there to be a Brandon Coleman, he was drafted to be a legitimate receiving threat.

dizzle88 · 09-15-2020, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Guess we'll see how much faith Sean Payton has in Tre'Quan Smith...

At this stage, I'd rather it be Sanders, Deonte and Bennie Fowler before Trequan sees the field.

Lord_Saint83 · 09-15-2020, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

At this stage, I'd rather it be Sanders, Deonte and Bennie Fowler before Trequan sees the field.

He shows flashes of potential but it’s nowhere near consistent enough to have him start or resign him. I say let lil’jordan get in there and try.

09-15-2020, 06:44 PM	#1
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Michael Thomas has a High Ankle Sprain Guess we'll see how much faith Sean Payton has in Tre'Quan Smith... jnormand, gosaints1, K Major and 2 others like this.

09-15-2020, 07:02 PM	#2
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,838 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Michael Thomas has a High Ankle Sprain Originally Posted by jeanpierre Guess we'll see how much faith Sean Payton has in Tre'Quan Smith... I for one won't be holding my breath. Tre needs to be on the side of a milk carton. jeanpierre, dizzle88 and Lord_Saint83 like this.

09-15-2020, 09:41 PM	#4
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,838 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Michael Thomas has a High Ankle Sprain Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Everyone dogs Smith. But he's out there because he does the jobs that Payton wants him to do. Here's an example from the game. Kamara's TD run. Watch Smith come in motion and put on the kickout block that springs Kamara for the TD: Alvin Kamara rushes for the td - YouTube It's plays like this why he's out there. Folks expect him to be an all Pro when virtually on every play he's the 4th or 5th option out there. Even when a receiver is not the target, they need to generate the proper spacing and offer blocking. Tre is here because he does his job. SFIAH No one is dogging him. He needs to produce. Tre has been in NO 3 years and runs sloppy routes, rarely gets separation and does not fight for the football. He has confidence issues and is inconsistent. Smith needs to prove he can be that WR3 after Ginn moving on and the front office not drafting another WR. He's only shown flashes but going into year 3 he needs to show up (1 catch 4 yards vs TB), cut the mental errors and not disappear for weeks at a time. Period. jeanpierre likes this.

09-15-2020, 10:07 PM	#5
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Michael Thomas has a High Ankle Sprain Originally Posted by K Major No one is dogging him. He needs to produce. Tre has been in NO 3 years and runs sloppy routes, rarely gets separation and does not fight for the football. He has confidence issues and is inconsistent. Smith needs to prove he can be that WR3 after Ginn moving on and the front office not drafting another WR. He's only shown flashes but going into year 3 he needs to show up (1 catch 4 yards vs TB), cut the mental errors and not disappear for weeks at a time. Period. I find his case confusing. If he isn't producing to the expectation of Payton and Carmichael, then why do they keep running him out there? Last season he played in 16 games and was in 50% or more of the offensive snaps in 15 of those 16 games. He was in for 65% of the snaps Sunday. So if he's sloppy and lazy and lacks confidence, then why is he such a big part of the offense? SFIAH

09-16-2020, 09:29 AM	#6
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,050	Re: Michael Thomas has a High Ankle Sprain Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL I find his case confusing. If he isn't producing to the expectation of Payton and Carmichael, then why do they keep running him out there? Last season he played in 16 games and was in 50% or more of the offensive snaps in 15 of those 16 games. He was in for 65% of the snaps Sunday. So if he's sloppy and lazy and lacks confidence, then why is he such a big part of the offense? SFIAH So..... to simplify your logic. Having a uniform and getting on the field = to being a BIG part of an offense? We should have just kept Garrett Hartley with all his misses... in every FG/Kickoff snap. Productivity is irrelevant.

09-16-2020, 11:58 AM	#7
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Michael Thomas has a High Ankle Sprain Originally Posted by TheOak So..... to simplify your logic. Having a uniform and getting on the field = to being a BIG part of an offense? We should have just kept Garrett Hartley with all his misses... in every FG/Kickoff snap. Productivity is irrelevant. I agree that productivity is relevant. I also agree that if a player is being unproductive, then they wouldn't be on the field. Smith is on the field for a significant percentage of offensive plays. Why would the offensive brain trust continue to run him out on the field if they didn't think he was doing his job? They watch the tapes every week. They are in practice every day. They have every opportunity to determine that Tre'Quan shouldn't be out there. Yet he is. One enlightening story to me is Tre's historic TD catch from Brees. It was pointed out that his route isn't normally targeted on that play. The ball simply isn't designed to go there. So, I figure there must be other plays that are like that in the Saints offense, and that even if Smith doesn't get a target, he's doing his job out there. If Tre is an unproductive bad player, then why is out on the field? SFIAH
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09-16-2020, 08:53 AM	#8
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,060	Re: Michael Thomas has a High Ankle Sprain Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Everyone dogs Smith. But he's out there because he does the jobs that Payton wants him to do. Here's an example from the game. Kamara's TD run. Watch Smith come in motion and put on the kickout block that springs Kamara for the TD: Alvin Kamara rushes for the td - YouTube It's plays like this why he's out there. Folks expect him to be an all Pro when virtually on every play he's the 4th or 5th option out there. Even when a receiver is not the target, they need to generate the proper spacing and offer blocking. Tre is here because he does his job. SFIAH At the end of the day it’s the receivers job to catch balls, especially a player taken where he was in the draft. Hes just not doing it with any consistency. He’s not out there to be a Brandon Coleman, he was drafted to be a legitimate receiving threat. dizzle88 and K Major like this.
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09-15-2020, 07:15 PM	#9
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,539	Re: Michael Thomas has a High Ankle Sprain Originally Posted by jeanpierre Guess we'll see how much faith Sean Payton has in Tre'Quan Smith... At this stage, I'd rather it be Sanders, Deonte and Bennie Fowler before Trequan sees the field.

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Lord_Saint83 100% Blunt Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Saint Gabriel, La Posts: 2,754	Re: Michael Thomas has a High Ankle Sprain Originally Posted by dizzle88 At this stage, I'd rather it be Sanders, Deonte and Bennie Fowler before Trequan sees the field. He shows flashes of potential but it’s nowhere near consistent enough to have him start or resign him. I say let lil’jordan get in there and try.