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Never understood the Jenkins signing outside of being a vocal leader he is past his prime. Waller dominated the whole secondary. No adjustment was made. Why not bracket? Was the focus on Ruggs?

Drew’s arm is toast. That’s evident by the inaccuracy and lack of deep balls. The int was embarrassing. I think we still win the South but major changes have to occur with our quarterback play and secondary if we want to advance in the playoffs. Can’t dink and dunk to a super bowl victory.

Coach loves wasting timeouts on challenges he has no chance of winning. It’s mind boggling every year.

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Saints have over 200 yards in penalties over the last two weeks.

I know some were ticky tacky however it's still a problem.

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Seems the secondary is good for at least 3 PI’s a game

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It's embarrassing to basically get beat by a single player in a team sport other than basketball. Waller is quite good, but we didn't need to make him look like the Jerry Rice of tight ends.

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Did you see any adjustments from DENNIS ALLEN second half?

I sure didn't.

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That’s the problem. The only adjustment was who would guard him. I saw PJ Jenkins Johnson Demario all in SINGLE coverage against him. Demario did the best due to his strength.

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I it worse than that. 248 yards of penalties in 2 games and 150 yards of that is 6 Defensive Pass Interference penalties..

This is per game
28.5 yards per game (57 total) - Lattimore (3 penalties in 2 games 2/DPI, 1 UR)
22.5 yards per game - Williams
14.5 yards per game - Jenkins
14 yards per game - Jenkins

Everyone else is in single digits.

We lead the league in giving QBs 1st downs for incomplete passes.

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So far it looks like two of the Saints top free agent signings are complete busts, Jenkins and Sanders. Brees looks like an aging QB looking for that one last moment of glory.

Did anyone notice the great numbers Brees put up, thanks to the Raiders prevent defense and some serious stat boosting during pure garbage time at the end of the game? Can you say Jim Everett impersonation...

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Emmanuel Sanders a bust? This guy is a superior route runner, was the difference in San Fran getting to the bowl but 6 months later NO he has 1 catch and can't get seem to get open against the Raiders SECONDARY?

Naw, not buying that one.

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Brees had a bad game, like Brady did last game. And MT was awol due to injury. Defense had lapses. Shows how our team failed to adjust... which is coaching related.

News flash... we're not winning every game.

Move on and on to the next game.

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Move on!!??? We don't stinking MOVE ON!!!!

"WE COULD'A, WOULD'A, SHOULD'A AND WHAT IF?"

BECAUSE THAT WAY IS THE RIGHT WAY!!!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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Drew can’t throw a pass over 15-20 yards and if it’s that bad now it’s not gonna get better and the safeties will play down cause he can’t throw down the field. The defense collapsed cause the offense was three and outing like crazy. Sean Payton abandoning the ground and pound in the first qtr was reminiscent to the Vikings game, getting too goddamn cute. It’s working why change it up? He needs to stop smelling his own farts and take what the defense gives you

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I can’t understand why Payton won’t use Murray more. He should have been pounding them with Murray early on when we had a solid lead.

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Honestly, running the ball can’t save you when you can’t stretch the field. If you can’t stretch the field then you can stack the box, send pressure, and sit on the underneath ****. Cover 1 blitzes will be commonplace.

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Amen JP. Why pick up Sanders if you can’t play to his strengths. The square peg round hole deal all over again

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Does anyone believe that Sean/Brees are simply uncomfortable with allowing guys NOT named AK or Thomas to be more involved on offense? Alvin was our leading receiver last night.

Ty, Sanders, Taysom, Callaway & Cook didn't seem to be a priority in the playbook. Really surprised THill wasn't more involved against a young, inexperienced Raider secondary.

Honest question.

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You think there in the business of padding their favorite players stats? I can see that giving how Sean does that with Drew. Its not out the realm of possibility

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I think we still win the South??

Not so sure about that anymore, when the Bucs get in a few more games
they could be the team that we're chasing.

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Well, in the head to head, we already won that battle once. I like our team’s matchup against the Bucs..., and I’m not yet sold on the TB/TB combo being the next superpower in the NFC South.

That being said, Carolina is a complete disaster and losing CM for a month or more isn’t going to help them. And Atlanta is just a hot mess, if ABlank were the type of owner to fire coaches inside the season, based on tangible results (aka the record), I would say Quinn will be fired in the next few weeks. But, I just don’t see that happening.

Bottom line, there are concerns, but I’m still buying the Saints win the NFC South kool-aid.

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I’m not a big conspiracy guy but Sanders called Drew ignorant over his anthem comments before he even put on a Saints jersey. Drew is barely looking his way on the routes and as a result I saw Sanders half assing routes in the 2nd half.

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Kool Aid option you say.. okay Lol..

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It was sad watching Brees play - I'll leave it at that.

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It was sadder yet watching DAllen’s defense do the same thing over an over again expecting a different result.

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This. When Murray was in the game, the Raiders played a lot of cover 1 with 8 in the box. If Brees can’t make the defense think he can throw the ball down the field outside the numbers it’s not going to be a good year for us on offenses.

Bad game all the way around. Our offense couldn’t stay on the field and out defense couldn’t get off the field. That a loss every time.

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True, but the difference is that the defense has sucked on many seasons during Brees' tenure while number 9 has been great all through that - it just feels like an end of an era.

I guess it hits home since I'm two weeks older than Drew and I'm starting to feel the years myself.

The dominant emotion I was feeling after the game was sadness, not disappointment, frustration or anger.

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Jenkins....I don't trust the chemistry with him back.

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As mentioned above I feel the same way about Sanders. Doesn’t help that Sanders had drops. Drew won’t have any confidence in him and I can see Sanders resenting him.
On a positive note Smith looked good.
I think we will shake this off. After week 4 we will know what this team really is.

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No player masters the Saints offense in year one. I don't expect Sanders to turn it on until around week 8

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I am Brees fan from day one and I feel we have gotten to where we have been on Brees’s football IQ and arm ... coach SP was huge part of putting Drew in the right situations to succeed.

But something is not right ... is it because he not processing the flow of the field as efficiently, causing hesitation in his decision making. Which then rushes his normal game flow causing the inaccurate throws. Kinda sorta making it look like he is under pressure.

Or has there been a slight change to his throwing motion that brought about the touted increase in arm strength. Has that change, if there indeed was one, thrown off his anticipation and timing with his throws.

It’s early days but there has to be a clock ticking in the organization.

Of a more immediate concern to me is the defensive performance. With the talent Dennis Allen has he seem unable to make the necessary in game adjustments to his game plan. And his starting game day plan ain’t that great too start with.

Not sold on the 6 DB’s playing everywhere that might be Disrupting the defense more than causing confusion for the opposing QB.

:bng::bng:

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Per Barstool Sabermetrics, DB has the 2nd shortest avg pass attempt length (4.8 yards) out of any QB in the past 15 years.

No def coordinator will respect the deep ball until DB proves otherwise.

Love what he's brought to the game, City of New Orleans but folks DB is 41 years old and entering his 20th NFL season. The end is near.

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You already know how I feel about it bro. The end is already here. He’ll have some games and some moments where we’re all like “there he is”! But a Super Bowl? Not with that arm.

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Team played more complimentary football without DB#9 last year, as a team, than anytime I can remember in the last five or six years. There was a hunger, and awareness that if I, individually, don’t do my job, we WILL lose games. I’m not saying DB#9 needs to be benched, nor should be. I am saying: THAT “legend” no longer exists on the field, only in our memories.

Funny thing about that 4.8 yards pass length is that it’s tied for the worst in the air pass length, since 2009 (our SB year) with one other player. That player? Brett Favre from our NFC championship opponent the Vikings. So..., dinking and dunking can get you there. But, then and now, the younger, hungrier, stronger and faster team will win the championships.

Don’t believe me? Look at our last three seasons.

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Manning did but his D was way better. They tried everything in the book on Waller; not much worked. They played well then stunk then got better. A good butt kicking. Green Bay will be a strong indicator if they have it a fourth year in a row or not.

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GB will be a big game to see if the Saints can challenge at championship level. This team, imho, still is the team to beat in the NFC South. Atlanta? No, they create ways to lose games, in ways nobody has ever done before. Carolina? Disaster, even greater disaster without CM for five or six weeks. And I just haven’t bought into the TB/TB “crowning” yet.

Waller wanted to “win” early on, and that mindset was infectious to all other players. It’s no different when Thomas is on the field..., he refuses to fail. Every. Single. Play. imho, that mentality was missing last game, along with the player who espouses it. Leadership comes in many forms, not just from the “older” vets.

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Week 2 does not a season make.

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One of the most true statements I’ve read around here.