Week 4: Saints Final Injury Report

K Major · 10-02-2020, 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

He hasn't had an opportunity. In three games we have only gone FIVE snaps with three true LB's. Did you realize that? Malcolm Jenkins has been in there as LB2 often.

LB snap counts:

Demario Davis LB 212 100.00%
Alex Anzalone LB 161 75.94%
Kaden Elliss LB 5 2.36%

Tampa game - 1st and goal at the 10, 3 TE set for Brady with the fake to RB and hits OJ Howard wide open in the back of the endzone. Ellis was caught flat footed guarding no one.

Green Bay game - 4th quarter, Saints down by 3. ARod with a naked boot leg to Robert Tonyan for 6. Again, KE responsibility.

Both missed assignments by Ellis. Not Demario, not Alex, or Jenkins.

Not sure why there was a need for you to show me snap counts when I clearly stated Kaden has been beaten for tds. TWICE IN THE REDZONE. He's not only beaten 2'x for TD's, but clearly confusion on his part on both.

Zach Baun needs to be playing in his place on those formations.

I'm on to Detroit.

dizzle88 · 10-03-2020, 05:58 AM

Yeah I dont feel this is going to be a fun one to watch.

5 starters out and someone took the bubble wrap off two 1sts too quickly!

PJ Williams and Patrick Robinson are going to be starting at CB, which is just a death wish in its own right.

Stafford has a good receiving core and will likely obliterate our secondary for the third straight week.

AsylumGuido · 10-03-2020, 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Tampa game - 1st and goal at the 10, 3 TE set for Brady with the fake to RB and hits OJ Howard wide open in the back of the endzone. Ellis was caught flat footed guarding no one.

Green Bay game - 4th quarter, Saints down by 3. ARod with a naked boot leg to Robert Tonyan for 6. Again, KE responsibility.

Both missed assignments by Ellis. Not Demario, not Alex, or Jenkins.

Not sure why there was a need for you to show me snap counts when I clearly stated Kaden has been beaten for tds. TWICE IN THE REDZONE. He's not only beaten 2'x for TD's, but clearly confusion on his part on both.

Zach Baun needs to be playing in his place on those formations.

I'm on to Detroit.

Perhaps neither Baun or Ellis aren't up enough on the defense to be effective. Both young and no OTA's or minicamp.

gosaints1 · 10-03-2020, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Perhaps neither Baun or Ellis aren't up enough on the defense to be effective. Both young and no OTA's or minicamp.

Both young, yes, very true. Ellis however, being drafted in 2019, was afforded all of last year’s full luxuries, including preseason, training camp, etc... He did play in a handful of games last season also, iirc. It shouldn’t take two years to at least not look “lost” while on the field. Bottom line, I would rather see the newly drafted rookie instead of the guy you know can’t play up to speed.

jnormand · 10-03-2020, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

Both young, yes, very true. Ellis however, being drafted in 2019, was afforded all of last year’s full luxuries, including preseason, training camp, etc... He did play in a handful of games last season also, iirc. It shouldn’t take two years to at least not look “lost” while on the field. Bottom line, I would rather see the newly drafted rookie instead of the guy you know can’t play up to speed.

Tbh, I think he was injured 99% of the year. I could be wrong. But I think he was placed on IR before the season or at the beginning of it.

gosaints1 · 10-03-2020, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Tbh, I think he was injured 99% of the year. I could be wrong. But I think he was placed on IR before the season or at the beginning of it.

I think he was more of a ST player, seems to be the norm for Payton’s rookies. But, he did have 3 starts last year, can’t really tell you if ultimately wound up on IR.

AsylumGuido · 10-04-2020, 08:31 AM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

Both young, yes, very true. Ellis however, being drafted in 2019, was afforded all of last year’s full luxuries, including preseason, training camp, etc... He did play in a handful of games last season also, iirc. It shouldn’t take two years to at least not look “lost” while on the field. Bottom line, I would rather see the newly drafted rookie instead of the guy you know can’t play up to speed.

Another factor is the five total snaps on defense over the first three games. It has to be difficult to come in on two or three plays a game in crucial situations as a young player. I'd rather have a more experience player in at that moment. Perhaps Baun could have done better.

gosaints1 · 10-04-2020, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Another factor is the five total snaps on defense over the first three games. It has to be difficult to come in on two or three plays a game in crucial situations as a young player. I'd rather have a more experience player in at that moment. Perhaps Baun could have done better.

Agreed, and fully understand. Whether “it has to be difficult to come in on two or three plays a game” is an excuse or a reason, is another argument to be had, lol. When you do get the opportunity to showcase your talent, it’s always best to start off on the right foot. It tends to quiet down any naysaying that might be happening.

Here’s hoping the young man gets on the same sheet of music as everyone else very soon. Defense is going to need everybody’s full attention, every snap of every game.

jeanpierre · 10-04-2020, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Yep. Currently watching from the sidelines and on special teams duty.

Kind of dumb for Zach to get no snaps at LB/pass rusher spot when Ellis is struggling, getting burned for TD's and looking out of position.

Saints have done a great job of drafting the last few years, however decisions made by coaches on who to play and sits is puzzling.

And how, where, and when to play them...

jeanpierre · 10-04-2020, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Another factor is the five total snaps on defense over the first three games. It has to be difficult to come in on two or three plays a game in crucial situations as a young player. I'd rather have a more experience player in at that moment. Perhaps Baun could have done better.

So when do they get the experience? If you believe in them, drafted them, or signed them, play them! Let them grow and do your job and coach them...

10-02-2020, 09:01 PM	#21
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Week 4: Saints Final Injury Report Originally Posted by AsylumGuido He hasn't had an opportunity. In three games we have only gone FIVE snaps with three true LB's. Did you realize that? Malcolm Jenkins has been in there as LB2 often. LB snap counts: Demario Davis LB 212 100.00% Alex Anzalone LB 161 75.94% Kaden Elliss LB 5 2.36% Tampa game - 1st and goal at the 10, 3 TE set for Brady with the fake to RB and hits OJ Howard wide open in the back of the endzone. Ellis was caught flat footed guarding no one. Green Bay game - 4th quarter, Saints down by 3. ARod with a naked boot leg to Robert Tonyan for 6. Again, KE responsibility. Both missed assignments by Ellis. Not Demario, not Alex, or Jenkins. Not sure why there was a need for you to show me snap counts when I clearly stated Kaden has been beaten for tds. TWICE IN THE REDZONE. He's not only beaten 2'x for TD's, but clearly confusion on his part on both. Zach Baun needs to be playing in his place on those formations. I'm on to Detroit. dizzle88, gosaints1 and shawnkytonk like this.
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10-03-2020, 05:58 AM	#22
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: Week 4: Saints Final Injury Report Yeah I dont feel this is going to be a fun one to watch. 5 starters out and someone took the bubble wrap off two 1sts too quickly! PJ Williams and Patrick Robinson are going to be starting at CB, which is just a death wish in its own right. Stafford has a good receiving core and will likely obliterate our secondary for the third straight week.

10-03-2020, 09:18 AM	#23
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,207	Re: Week 4: Saints Final Injury Report Originally Posted by K Major Tampa game - 1st and goal at the 10, 3 TE set for Brady with the fake to RB and hits OJ Howard wide open in the back of the endzone. Ellis was caught flat footed guarding no one. Green Bay game - 4th quarter, Saints down by 3. ARod with a naked boot leg to Robert Tonyan for 6. Again, KE responsibility. Both missed assignments by Ellis. Not Demario, not Alex, or Jenkins. Not sure why there was a need for you to show me snap counts when I clearly stated Kaden has been beaten for tds. TWICE IN THE REDZONE. He's not only beaten 2'x for TD's, but clearly confusion on his part on both. Zach Baun needs to be playing in his place on those formations. I'm on to Detroit. Perhaps neither Baun or Ellis aren't up enough on the defense to be effective. Both young and no OTA's or minicamp.

10-03-2020, 09:29 AM	#24
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Week 4: Saints Final Injury Report Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Perhaps neither Baun or Ellis aren't up enough on the defense to be effective. Both young and no OTA's or minicamp. Both young, yes, very true. Ellis however, being drafted in 2019, was afforded all of last year’s full luxuries, including preseason, training camp, etc... He did play in a handful of games last season also, iirc. It shouldn’t take two years to at least not look “lost” while on the field. Bottom line, I would rather see the newly drafted rookie instead of the guy you know can’t play up to speed.
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10-03-2020, 01:23 PM	#25
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,660	Re: Week 4: Saints Final Injury Report Originally Posted by gosaints1 Both young, yes, very true. Ellis however, being drafted in 2019, was afforded all of last year’s full luxuries, including preseason, training camp, etc... He did play in a handful of games last season also, iirc. It shouldn’t take two years to at least not look “lost” while on the field. Bottom line, I would rather see the newly drafted rookie instead of the guy you know can’t play up to speed. Tbh, I think he was injured 99% of the year. I could be wrong. But I think he was placed on IR before the season or at the beginning of it. gosaints1 likes this.

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gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Week 4: Saints Final Injury Report Originally Posted by jnormand Tbh, I think he was injured 99% of the year. I could be wrong. But I think he was placed on IR before the season or at the beginning of it. I think he was more of a ST player, seems to be the norm for Payton’s rookies. But, he did have 3 starts last year, can’t really tell you if ultimately wound up on IR. jnormand likes this.
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10-04-2020, 08:31 AM	#27
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,207	Re: Week 4: Saints Final Injury Report Originally Posted by gosaints1 Both young, yes, very true. Ellis however, being drafted in 2019, was afforded all of last year’s full luxuries, including preseason, training camp, etc... He did play in a handful of games last season also, iirc. It shouldn’t take two years to at least not look “lost” while on the field. Bottom line, I would rather see the newly drafted rookie instead of the guy you know can’t play up to speed. Another factor is the five total snaps on defense over the first three games. It has to be difficult to come in on two or three plays a game in crucial situations as a young player. I'd rather have a more experience player in at that moment. Perhaps Baun could have done better. gosaints1 likes this.

10-04-2020, 09:07 AM	#28
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Week 4: Saints Final Injury Report Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Another factor is the five total snaps on defense over the first three games. It has to be difficult to come in on two or three plays a game in crucial situations as a young player. I'd rather have a more experience player in at that moment. Perhaps Baun could have done better. Agreed, and fully understand. Whether “it has to be difficult to come in on two or three plays a game” is an excuse or a reason, is another argument to be had, lol. When you do get the opportunity to showcase your talent, it’s always best to start off on the right foot. It tends to quiet down any naysaying that might be happening. Here’s hoping the young man gets on the same sheet of music as everyone else very soon. Defense is going to need everybody’s full attention, every snap of every game.
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10-04-2020, 10:20 AM	#29
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Week 4: Saints Final Injury Report Originally Posted by K Major Yep. Currently watching from the sidelines and on special teams duty. Kind of dumb for Zach to get no snaps at LB/pass rusher spot when Ellis is struggling, getting burned for TD's and looking out of position. Saints have done a great job of drafting the last few years, however decisions made by coaches on who to play and sits is puzzling. And how, where, and when to play them...

10-04-2020, 10:21 AM	#30
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Week 4: Saints Final Injury Report Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Another factor is the five total snaps on defense over the first three games. It has to be difficult to come in on two or three plays a game in crucial situations as a young player. I'd rather have a more experience player in at that moment. Perhaps Baun could have done better. *So when do they get the experience? If you believe in them, drafted them, or signed them, play them! Let them grow and do your job* and coach them...** Rueben Mayes, gosaints1 and Rell&Gold like this.