Saints beat the Chargers in a MNF thriller, regain 1st in NFC South

dizzle88 · 10-14-2020, 06:54 AM

Lol Now people are saying Dennis Allen's D is too complex, eventually you have to look for common denominators as the exact same thing was said about Rob Ryan.

Either Payton and the staff are consistently drafting and signing dumb players or Payton himself is the issue.

TheOak · 10-14-2020, 07:53 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Lol Now people are saying Dennis Allen's D is too complex, eventually you have to look for common denominators as the exact same thing was said about Rob Ryan.

Either Payton and the staff are consistently drafting and signing dumb players or Payton himself is the issue.

How would Sean Payton have any hand in D backs not playing the ball and their PI calls?

We lead the league in DPI and not by a small margin.

11- DPI / 244- Yards (Saints)

7 DPI: Second most (Jacksonville)
105 Yards: Second most (Tampa Bay)

Please explain how the above doesn't fall in the Defensive coaching staff?

I heard Brian Grease in the 2nd half say 'Herbert should just throw it up and get the PI that the Saints DBacks are known for giving.'

3rd Qtr first Charger possession (Go back and watch it).. Deep Ball to M. Williams. Two defenders on him and no one but Williams looking for the ball.

WW_Who_Dat · 10-14-2020, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

How would Sean Payton have any hand in D backs not playing the ball and their PI calls?

We lead the league in DPI and not by a small margin.

11- DPI / 244- Yards (Saints)

7 DPI: Second most (Jacksonville)
105 Yards: Second most (Tampa Bay)

Please explain how the above doesn't fall in the Defensive coaching staff?

I heard Brian Grease in the 2nd half say 'Herbert should just throw it up and get the PI that the Saints DBacks are known for giving.'

3rd Qtr first Charger possession (Go back and watch it).. Deep Ball to M. Williams. Two defenders on him and no one but Williams looking for the ball.

Dennis Allen fail ... the DB’s are not in position to make plays Especially the Safeties ... To many switches going on and flat out missed assignments. After every big catch you see our defenders looking at each other ... was that my assignment or was the your assignment ... better take this bye week and rethink what going on here. Offense is not looking great but putting up enough points to win if the defense (secondary) just plays decent.

TheOak · 10-14-2020, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat

Dennis Allen fail ... the DB’s are not in position to make plays Especially the Safeties ... To many switches going on and flat out missed assignments. After every big catch you see our defenders looking at each other ... was that my assignment or was the your assignment ... better take this bye week and rethink what going on here. Offense is not looking great but putting up enough points to win if the defense (secondary) just plays decent.

If you are trying to scheme confusion, you are only a cunt hair from convolution. Dennis doesn't have faith in his players so he tries to out smart opposing QBs.

The result is essentially Lieutenant land navigation.

WW_Who_Dat · 10-14-2020, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

If you are trying to scheme confusion, you are only a cunt hair from convolution. Dennis doesn't have faith in his players so he tries to out smart opposing QBs.

The result is essentially Lieutenant land navigation.

Exactly ... “Lead Follow or get out of the F*&#ing way” Allen need to get out of the player F*&#ing way. The definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing over and over and expect a different result.

st thomas · 10-14-2020, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

If you are trying to scheme confusion, you are only a cunt hair from convolution. Dennis doesn't have faith in his players so he tries to out smart opposing QBs.

The result is essentially Lieutenant land navigation.

I got to get to the dictionary on this one lol

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TheOak · 10-14-2020, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by st thomas

I got to get to the dictionary on this one lol

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Sorry, not trying to be like that. I see this a lot when mathematicians try to write process maps, they don’t take efficiency into account.

At some point scheme complexity crosses the line into a confusing mess that even the creator has trouble following with out taking a moment to think about it.

Dennis Allen’s ideas are probably brilliant and on paper the formulation works. The break down comes when defensive players are trying to execute his plan and its so complicated that they have to think. Those guys have time to react, not to think. 1/2 a second of thought puts a WR 2-3 yards in front of you.

st thomas · 10-14-2020, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Sorry, not trying to be like that. I see this a lot when mathematicians try to write process maps, they don’t take efficiency into account.

At some point scheme complexity crosses the line into a confusing mess that even the creator has trouble following with out taking a moment to think about it.

Dennis Allen’s ideas are probably brilliant and on paper the formulation works. The break down comes when defensive players are trying to execute his plan and its so complicated that they have to think. Those guys have time to react, not to think. 1/2 a second of thought puts a WR 2-3 yards in front of you.

I see it the same way, mental lapses = delay in every phase of the game

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The Dude · 10-14-2020, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

I heard Brian Grease in the 2nd half say 'Herbert should just throw it up and get the PI that the Saints DBacks are known for giving.'

I honestly think coaches are making this part of their game plan. Just chunk it down the field and it’s a 50/50 chance it’s a catch or PI.

dizzle88 · 10-14-2020, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

How would Sean Payton have any hand in D backs not playing the ball and their PI calls?

We lead the league in DPI and not by a small margin.

11- DPI / 244- Yards (Saints)

7 DPI: Second most (Jacksonville)
105 Yards: Second most (Tampa Bay)

Please explain how the above doesn't fall in the Defensive coaching staff?

I heard Brian Grease in the 2nd half say 'Herbert should just throw it up and get the PI that the Saints DBacks are known for giving.'

3rd Qtr first Charger possession (Go back and watch it).. Deep Ball to M. Williams. Two defenders on him and no one but Williams looking for the ball.

My point was more, Payton continually hire these guys that have little track record of success and we expect great things out of them.

Dennis Allen has not been successful in the places he's coached, yet Payton wanted someone he wouldnt argue with every Sunday like he did with Rob.

10-14-2020, 06:54 AM	#1
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,523	Re: Saints beat the Chargers in a MNF thriller, regain 1st in NFC South Lol Now people are saying Dennis Allen's D is too complex, eventually you have to look for common denominators as the exact same thing was said about Rob Ryan. Either Payton and the staff are consistently drafting and signing dumb players or Payton himself is the issue.

10-14-2020, 07:53 AM	#2
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Re: Saints beat the Chargers in a MNF thriller, regain 1st in NFC South Originally Posted by dizzle88 Lol Now people are saying Dennis Allen's D is too complex, eventually you have to look for common denominators as the exact same thing was said about Rob Ryan. Either Payton and the staff are consistently drafting and signing dumb players or Payton himself is the issue. How would Sean Payton have any hand in D backs not playing the ball and their PI calls? We lead the league in DPI and not by a small margin. 11- DPI / 244- Yards (Saints) 7 DPI: Second most (Jacksonville) 105 Yards: Second most (Tampa Bay) Please explain how the above doesn't fall in the Defensive coaching staff? I heard Brian Grease in the 2nd half say 'Herbert should just throw it up and get the PI that the Saints DBacks are known for giving.' 3rd Qtr first Charger possession (Go back and watch it).. Deep Ball to M. Williams. Two defenders on him and no one but Williams looking for the ball. gosaints1 likes this.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

10-14-2020, 10:12 AM	#3
WW_Who_Dat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lafayette, La and Valencia CA Posts: 1,277 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints beat the Chargers in a MNF thriller, regain 1st in NFC South Originally Posted by TheOak How would Sean Payton have any hand in D backs not playing the ball and their PI calls? We lead the league in DPI and not by a small margin. 11- DPI / 244- Yards (Saints) 7 DPI: Second most (Jacksonville) 105 Yards: Second most (Tampa Bay) Please explain how the above doesn't fall in the Defensive coaching staff? I heard Brian Grease in the 2nd half say 'Herbert should just throw it up and get the PI that the Saints DBacks are known for giving.' 3rd Qtr first Charger possession (Go back and watch it).. Deep Ball to M. Williams. Two defenders on him and no one but Williams looking for the ball. Dennis Allen fail ... the DB’s are not in position to make plays Especially the Safeties ... To many switches going on and flat out missed assignments. After every big catch you see our defenders looking at each other ... was that my assignment or was the your assignment ... better take this bye week and rethink what going on here. Offense is not looking great but putting up enough points to win if the defense (secondary) just plays decent. st thomas likes this.

10-14-2020, 10:35 AM	#4
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Re: Saints beat the Chargers in a MNF thriller, regain 1st in NFC South Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat Dennis Allen fail ... the DB’s are not in position to make plays Especially the Safeties ... To many switches going on and flat out missed assignments. After every big catch you see our defenders looking at each other ... was that my assignment or was the your assignment ... better take this bye week and rethink what going on here. Offense is not looking great but putting up enough points to win if the defense (secondary) just plays decent. If you are trying to scheme confusion, you are only a cunt hair from convolution. Dennis doesn't have faith in his players so he tries to out smart opposing QBs. The result is essentially Lieutenant land navigation. st thomas likes this.

10-14-2020, 10:50 AM	#5
WW_Who_Dat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lafayette, La and Valencia CA Posts: 1,277 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints beat the Chargers in a MNF thriller, regain 1st in NFC South Originally Posted by TheOak If you are trying to scheme confusion, you are only a cunt hair from convolution. Dennis doesn't have faith in his players so he tries to out smart opposing QBs. The result is essentially Lieutenant land navigation. Exactly ... “Lead Follow or get out of the F&#ing way” Allen need to get out of the player F&#ing way. The definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing over and over and expect a different result. K Major likes this.

10-14-2020, 11:28 AM	#6
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Saints beat the Chargers in a MNF thriller, regain 1st in NFC South Originally Posted by TheOak If you are trying to scheme confusion, you are only a cunt hair from convolution. Dennis doesn't have faith in his players so he tries to out smart opposing QBs. The result is essentially Lieutenant land navigation. I got to get to the dictionary on this one lol Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

10-14-2020, 02:36 PM	#7
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Re: Saints beat the Chargers in a MNF thriller, regain 1st in NFC South Originally Posted by st thomas I got to get to the dictionary on this one lol Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Sorry, not trying to be like that. I see this a lot when mathematicians try to write process maps, they don’t take efficiency into account. At some point scheme complexity crosses the line into a confusing mess that even the creator has trouble following with out taking a moment to think about it. Dennis Allen’s ideas are probably brilliant and on paper the formulation works. The break down comes when defensive players are trying to execute his plan and its so complicated that they have to think. Those guys have time to react, not to think. 1/2 a second of thought puts a WR 2-3 yards in front of you. st thomas likes this.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

10-14-2020, 02:43 PM	#8
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Saints beat the Chargers in a MNF thriller, regain 1st in NFC South Originally Posted by TheOak Sorry, not trying to be like that. I see this a lot when mathematicians try to write process maps, they don’t take efficiency into account. At some point scheme complexity crosses the line into a confusing mess that even the creator has trouble following with out taking a moment to think about it. Dennis Allen’s ideas are probably brilliant and on paper the formulation works. The break down comes when defensive players are trying to execute his plan and its so complicated that they have to think. Those guys have time to react, not to think. 1/2 a second of thought puts a WR 2-3 yards in front of you. I see it the same way, mental lapses = delay in every phase of the game Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

10-14-2020, 10:31 AM	#9
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Re: Saints beat the Chargers in a MNF thriller, regain 1st in NFC South Originally Posted by TheOak I heard Brian Grease in the 2nd half say 'Herbert should just throw it up and get the PI that the Saints DBacks are known for giving.' I honestly think coaches are making this part of their game plan. Just chunk it down the field and it’s a 50/50 chance it’s a catch or PI.
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10-14-2020, 11:26 AM	#10
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,523	Re: Saints beat the Chargers in a MNF thriller, regain 1st in NFC South Originally Posted by TheOak How would Sean Payton have any hand in D backs not playing the ball and their PI calls? We lead the league in DPI and not by a small margin. 11- DPI / 244- Yards (Saints) 7 DPI: Second most (Jacksonville) 105 Yards: Second most (Tampa Bay) Please explain how the above doesn't fall in the Defensive coaching staff? I heard Brian Grease in the 2nd half say 'Herbert should just throw it up and get the PI that the Saints DBacks are known for giving.' 3rd Qtr first Charger possession (Go back and watch it).. Deep Ball to M. Williams. Two defenders on him and no one but Williams looking for the ball. My point was more, Payton continually hire these guys that have little track record of success and we expect great things out of them. Dennis Allen has not been successful in the places he's coached, yet Payton wanted someone he wouldnt argue with every Sunday like he did with Rob.