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mapcow 10-29-2020 10:31 AM

Re: Saints willing to consider Michael Thomas trade?
 
I look at it realistically. Thomas and Drew miles apart. bet Thomas is gone before the seasons over. He made is KWAN....now he will be Gone

Budsdrinker 10-29-2020 10:34 AM

Re: Saints willing to consider Michael Thomas trade?
 
Just can't see a $20+ million dead cap hit next year. Thomas ain't going anywhere.

AsylumGuido 10-29-2020 11:20 AM

Re: Saints willing to consider Michael Thomas trade?
 
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Originally Posted by mapcow (Post 901477)
I look at it realistically. Thomas and Drew miles apart. bet Thomas is gone before the seasons over. He made is KWAN....now he will be Gone

I'll take that bet. $20?

Brees said he talks to Thomas daily. You are far from realistic. But, if it means making $20 I'll take your pipedream.

Deal?

AsylumGuido 10-29-2020 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Budsdrinker (Post 901478)
Just can't see a $20+ million dead cap hit next year. Thomas ain't going anywhere.

Shhhh! Quiet. I'm trying to take mapcow's money.

Rugby Saint II 10-29-2020 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 901431)
Thomas and Brees did meet in private MONTHS ago and worked it out. They have both repeatedly said this. What do either have to gain by lying about it? What you believe really doesn't matter. You are trying to make something out of nothing. Practice fights have happened since football began. Have you personally spoken with either Brees or Thomas and have been enlightened with something other than both have shared? Didn't think so, Rugs. :D

First off Guido, I try hard to be an honest man. Yes, I may mislead my girl once in a while but I don't lie. I'm just not very good at it.

Secondly, I don't appreciate you calling me a liar! I'm not trying to stir up ****. I simply said that I don't buy it. How is that a lie? It's a different interpretation from yours is all. I've been supportive of your disingenuous attitude but this crossed way over the line. Maybe that attitude flies on SR but not here! Thanks for being such a bright ray of sunshine...:brood:

Edit: What you believe doesn't matter to me now...at least not more than my unimportant opinion matters. Chill out!!! I just don't buy that they worked it out. I don't see the evidence. But obviously you buy it because you want to.

Oh, and let's not make this a back and forth. I've always respected your opinion. Maybe you should respect my right to have an opinion. Damn son! :argue:

AsylumGuido 10-29-2020 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 901486)
First off Guido, I try hard to be an honest man. Yes, I may mislead my girl once in a while but I don't lie. I'm just not very good at it.

Secondly, I don't appreciate you calling me a liar! I'm not trying to stir up ****. I simply said that I don't buy it. How is that a lie? It's a different interpretation from yours is all. I've been supportive of your disingenuous attitude but this crossed way over the line. Maybe that attitude flies on SR but not here! Thanks for being such a bright ray of sunshine...:brood:

Edit: What you believe doesn't matter to me now...at least not more than my unimportant opinion matters. Chill out!!! I just don't buy that they worked it out. I don't see the evidence. But obviously you buy it because you want to.

Oh, and let's not make this a back and forth. I've always respected your opinion. Maybe you should respect my right to have an opinion. Damn son! :argue:

Rugs. I never said you lied. Read my post again. I said that both Brees and Thomas, and for that matter Brees and Malcolm Jenkins, have stated publicly that they talked things through and are now cool. The reference to lying was my saying that none of them have anything to gain by lying about the fact that there is not a lingering issue between them. I haven't seen any evidence that they are not telling the truth, have you?

It had nothing whatsoever to do with you or your opinion. Nowhere did I ever call you a liar. In fact, you have every right to think that Brees, Thomas and Jenkins are liars whether they have anything to gain from it or not. That is your right.

I'm sorry but you somehow totally misinterpreted my reply. Read it over again carefully and you'll understand.

Rugby Saint II 10-29-2020 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 901490)
Rugs. I never said you lied. Read my post again. I said that both Brees and Thomas, and for that matter Brees and Malcolm Jenkins, have stated publicly that they talked things through and are now cool. The reference to lying was my saying that none of them have anything to gain by lying about the fact that there is not a lingering issue between them. I haven't seen any evidence that they are not telling the truth, have you?

It had nothing whatsoever to do with you or your opinion. Nowhere did I ever call you a liar. In fact, you have every right to think that Brees, Thomas and Jenkins are liars whether they have anything to gain from it or not. That is your right.

I'm sorry but you somehow totally misinterpreted my reply. Read it over again carefully and you'll understand.

I did in fact misread it. Your post read they not you. My apologies! I've been reading SR too much lately.:dunce:

AsylumGuido 10-29-2020 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 901501)
I did in fact misread it. Your post read you not they. My apologies! :dunce:

It's all cool, Rugs ... just like with Brees and Thomas.

;)

st thomas 10-29-2020 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 901501)
I did in fact misread it. Your post read they not you. My apologies! I've been reading SR too much lately.:dunce:


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mapcow 10-29-2020 03:40 PM

Re: Saints willing to consider Michael Thomas trade?
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 901482)
I'll take that bet. $20?

Brees said he talks to Thomas daily. You are far from realistic. But, if it means making $20 I'll take your pipedream.

Deal?


and you are there physically when they talk of course. Trust me... Thomas is gone.

mapcow 10-29-2020 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 901482)
I'll take that bet. $20?

Brees said he talks to Thomas daily. You are far from realistic. But, if it means making $20 I'll take your pipedream.

Deal?


No need to wager money.... i just bet Thomas is gone.... If i am wrong, i will accept it.... but can you.

AsylumGuido 10-29-2020 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mapcow (Post 901517)
and you are there physically when they talk of course. Trust me... Thomas is gone.

Once again, $20 says he isn't unless you are afraid. Or if you know that you are full of crap.

Well, is it a bet? You can pay me via Venmo when you lose.

TheOak 10-29-2020 03:57 PM

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Y’all argue more than the team does ;)

As a matter of fact, y’all are arguing about an argument. Brilliant lol


By the way.... THIS place is social media, how are some people acting any different than the players?

AsylumGuido 10-29-2020 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 901524)
Y’all argue more than the team does ;)

Yes we do. That's my point.

:D

TheOak 10-29-2020 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 901525)
Yes we do. That's my point.

:D

I edited/elaborated . Lol

AsylumGuido 10-29-2020 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 901524)
Y’all argue more than the team does ;)

As a matter of fact, y’all are arguing about an argument. Brilliant lol


By the way.... THIS place is social media, how are some people acting any different than the players?

Exactly. These players are adults AND professionals. No matter how much I argue with someone on this social media site I would buy them a beer and be closest friends at the game.

AsylumGuido 10-29-2020 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mapcow (Post 901518)
No need to wager money.... i just bet Thomas is gone.... If i am wrong, i will accept it.... but can you.

I am so positive that you are wrong that I want to collect some salad over it. If you were as sure as you say you would do the same. I suspect that you know you are wrong and not willing to lose $20. I'll give you a break and go $10.

Oh, by the way, Michael Thomas is back at practice today. No surprise.

mapcow 10-29-2020 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 901530)
I am so positive that you are wrong that I want to collect some salad over it. If you were as sure as you say you would do the same. I suspect that you know you are wrong and not willing to lose $20. I'll give you a break and go $10.

Oh, by the way, Michael Thomas is back at practice today. No surprise.

Is you ignorant or something.... I just said i can admit if i am wrong. Thomas is gone... if not, i guess you told me. But we will see, I guess. I'll give you a break and offer 0$ :dunce: I know another blowhard out there that always got to put money out ....:bng:

AsylumGuido 10-29-2020 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mapcow (Post 901539)
Is you ignorant or something.... I just said i can admit if i am wrong. Thomas is gone... if not, i guess you told me. But we will see, I guess. I'll give you a break and offer 0$ :dunce: I know another blowhard out there that always got to put money out ....:bng:

Ok. I got it. You clearly have no confidence behind what you are claiming. Perhaps you finally realized the Saints take a $20 million cap hit if Thomas is traded or cut. In other words, he can't go anywhere else right now.

Sure would have liked your money. Just being right with no reward gets old.

By the way, why do you care one way or another if you claim you aren't watching any games?

Although, it would explain why you are so out of touch with reality.

:rolleyes:

Beastmode 10-29-2020 07:53 PM

Re: Saints willing to consider Michael Thomas trade?
 
Take the hit. He won't have nearly the success he had here. Not even close. Guy had it made then starts running his mouth and starting shLt. Take the hit and dump him. It's not all about cap hits. He is toxic to the team and will be to any other team and end up with a shLt career. It happens. Learn from it and move on. Patriots would have never gave him that coin. They would have reloaded. We are winning without him. We did the same without Brees. Stop putting these players on some trophy cases. They are all expendable.


Except Kamara. He plays like three positions. Totally worth it. Probably can out run MT too.

mapcow 10-30-2020 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 901540)
Ok. I got it. You clearly have no confidence behind what you are claiming. Perhaps you finally realized the Saints take a $20 million cap hit if Thomas is traded or cut. In other words, he can't go anywhere else right now.

Sure would have liked your money. Just being right with no reward gets old.

By the way, why do you care one way or another if you claim you aren't watching any games?

Although, it would explain why you are so out of touch with reality.

:rolleyes:

Dude.... just accept the fact when Thomas leaves... you heard it hear that i said he made his KWAN now he's gone.

Triggered much.
:dunce:

AsylumGuido 10-30-2020 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by mapcow (Post 901567)
Dude.... just accept the fact when Thomas leaves... you heard it hear that i said he made his KWAN now he's gone.

Triggered much.
:dunce:

Keep dreaming ... dude. Have you ever heard of a salary cap? Do you have a clue how it even works?

Cutting or trading Thomas this season would result in a $20 million cap hit because of accelerated guarantees and bonuses. He cannot be traded or released (even if they would ever dream to do either) this year. Next year would still cost the Saints $14 million in dead cap which the Saints will not have, especially if Brees decides to retire. 2022 is the earliest that they can separate from Thomas if they even wanted to. All they could do is sit him and continue paying him and that would be as ridiculous as your goofy assed scenario.

I'm sorry but you have no sense of reality.

:rolleyes:

Edit: By the way, what the hell is a kwan? :confused:

gosaints1 10-31-2020 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 901594)
Keep dreaming ... dude. Have you ever heard of a salary cap? Do you have a clue how it even works?

Cutting or trading Thomas this season would result in a $20 million cap hit because of accelerated guarantees and bonuses. He cannot be traded or released (even if they would ever dream to do either) this year. Next year would still cost the Saints $14 million in dead cap which the Saints will not have, especially if Brees decides to retire. 2022 is the earliest that they can separate from Thomas if they even wanted to. All they could do is sit him and continue paying him and that would be as ridiculous as your goofy assed scenario.

I'm sorry but you have no sense of reality.

:rolleyes:

Edit: By the way, what the hell is a kwan? :confused:

I happen to agree with you here, I just don’t see CGM going anywhere. That being said..., when any of us forumites have questioned the machinations of Loomis/Payton wrt managing the cap, some guy named AsylumGuido always sticks his head in and laughs at us, lol. Telling us that we don’t understand how great they are at doing the impossible when it comes to “kicking the can” down the proverbial road.

AsylumGuido 10-31-2020 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by gosaints1 (Post 901631)
I happen to agree with you here, I just don’t see CGM going anywhere. That being said..., when any of us forumites have questioned the machinations of Loomis/Payton wrt managing the cap, some guy named AsylumGuido always sticks his head in and laughs at us, lol. Telling us that we don’t understand how great they are at doing the impossible when it comes to “kicking the can” down the proverbial road.

This is true, but that road travel two ways. You can kick it up road if extending or restructuring a player. But, that can comes barreling straight downhill into your face if you attempt to cut ties with that player too early in the contract.

They talked about this very scenario on Moving the Chains a couple of days ago when a caller suggested the Falcons should trade Julio Jones. They said that it was impossible to trade him until 2022 because of his contract cap hit, which is very similar to Thomas'. The same with Matt Ryan.

gosaints1 10-31-2020 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 901633)
This is true, but that road travel two ways. You can kick it up road if extending or restructuring a player. But, that can comes barreling straight downhill into your face if you attempt to cut ties with that player too early in the contract.

They talked about this very scenario on Moving the Chains a couple of days ago when a caller suggested the Falcons should trade Julio Jones. They said that it was impossible to trade him until 2022 because of his contract cap hit, which is very similar to Thomas'. The same with Matt Ryan.

Agreed, specifically wrt to our player Thomas, that would ultimately be a cost benefit analysis that, imho, I would have a very difficult time understanding the reason or logic behind it, if it were to happen. Regardless, I’m a fan of the player, he’s a superstar. He dominates the playing field..., you just don’t find those types of players every day. And I look forward to him getting healthy and on the field.

AsylumGuido 10-31-2020 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by gosaints1 (Post 901635)
Agreed, specifically wrt to our player Thomas, that would ultimately be a cost benefit analysis that, imho, I would have a very difficult time understanding the reason or logic behind it, if it were to happen. Regardless, I’m a fan of the player, he’s a superstar. He dominates the playing field..., you just don’t find those types of players every day. And I look forward to him getting healthy and on the field.

Right there with you. In reference to the other thread, Michael Thomas is easily one of my all-time favorites and I hope to see him breaking records and winning championships with the Saints for the next decade.

Rugby Saint II 10-31-2020 12:57 PM

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Thomas will be here as long as it is feasible to keep him. There is his gigantic salary to consider but at some point teams will move on from a highly paid disruptor for the sake of team unity. I want Thomas here because he's so dang good! If he becomes a disruptive diva I could see moving on from him since the rest of our receivers are stepping up and playing well.

Still, I want to keep him as a security blanket for our new QB when Drew hangs up his cleats. It's looking more and more like this may be his final season since his limitations are more noticeable with an aging arm that has lost it's battle with time and injury.

AsylumGuido 10-31-2020 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 901663)
Thomas will be here as long as it is feasible to keep him. There is his gigantic salary to consider but at some point teams will move on from a highly paid disruptor for the sake of team unity. I want Thomas here because he's so dang good! If he becomes a disruptive diva I could see moving on from him since the rest of our receivers are stepping up and playing well.

Still, I want to keep him as a security blanket for our new QB when Drew hangs up his cleats. It's looking more and more like this may be his final season since his limitations are more noticeable with an aging arm that has lost it's battle with time and injury.

That arm is leading the league in completion percentage. Just saying.

mapcow 11-03-2020 11:04 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gosaints1 (Post 901631)
I happen to agree with you here, I just don’t see CGM going anywhere. That being said..., when any of us forumites have questioned the machinations of Loomis/Payton wrt managing the cap, some guy named AsylumGuido always sticks his head in and laughs at us, lol. Telling us that we don’t understand how great they are at doing the impossible when it comes to “kicking the can” down the proverbial road.


Another game day no show from Thomas... made his kwan... no he gone.

:bng:

mapcow 11-03-2020 11:06 AM

Re: Saints willing to consider Michael Thomas trade?
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 901594)
Keep dreaming ... dude. Have you ever heard of a salary cap? Do you have a clue how it even works?

Cutting or trading Thomas this season would result in a $20 million cap hit because of accelerated guarantees and bonuses. He cannot be traded or released (even if they would ever dream to do either) this year. Next year would still cost the Saints $14 million in dead cap which the Saints will not have, especially if Brees decides to retire. 2022 is the earliest that they can separate from Thomas if they even wanted to. All they could do is sit him and continue paying him and that would be as ridiculous as your goofy assed scenario.

I'm sorry but you have no sense of reality.

:rolleyes:

Edit: By the way, what the hell is a kwan? :confused:


Another game day no show..Thomas He made is kwan ... now he gone.

:bng:

mapcow 11-03-2020 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 901594)
Keep dreaming ... dude. Have you ever heard of a salary cap? Do you have a clue how it even works?

Cutting or trading Thomas this season would result in a $20 million cap hit because of accelerated guarantees and bonuses. He cannot be traded or released (even if they would ever dream to do either) this year. Next year would still cost the Saints $14 million in dead cap which the Saints will not have, especially if Brees decides to retire. 2022 is the earliest that they can separate from Thomas if they even wanted to. All they could do is sit him and continue paying him and that would be as ridiculous as your goofy assed scenario.

I'm sorry but you have no sense of reality.

:rolleyes:

Edit: By the way, what the hell is a kwan? :confused:

Here's a little reality for ya.... poor babbette got his fweelings hurt...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...mwW?li=BBnb7Kz

:bng:

gosaints1 11-03-2020 11:50 AM

Re: Saints willing to consider Michael Thomas trade?
 
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Originally Posted by mapcow (Post 902367)
Another game day no show from Thomas... made his kwan... no he gone.

Jerry Maguire Best Scenes - The Origin of Kwan - YouTube
:bng:

I don’t discount the possibility of a rift, quite possibly a serious rift, between CGM and the Saints, as a team, or from an organizational standpoint. And, it’s entirely possible it’s his last year here, I just didn’t see him being traded at this very minute, before the trade deadline. I like the guy bc of how dominating he is on the field and the Saints have missed him playing, regardless of record. But if he’s gone next year, I won’t lose any sleep, that’s a guarantee! Player’s move around the league for many reasons. You won’t catch me being a “homer” for any active player or coach. Every player is a cost benefit analysis. Every. Single. Player. And coach also, lol. Regardless, you may prove correct, I don’t know..., I just see the very obvious reasons why trading him immediately is a very, very, tough call.

shawnkytonk 11-03-2020 12:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mapcow (Post 902371)
Here's a little reality for ya.... poor babbette got his fweelings hurt...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...mwW?li=BBnb7Kz

:bng:

How is that reality? That is undoubtedly an opinion piece. Haters wanna hate as they say.

AsylumGuido 11-03-2020 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by shawnkytonk (Post 902376)
How is that reality? That is undoubtedly an opinion piece. Haters wanna hate as they say.

Some people just don't let facts stand in the way of that hate, either.

WW_Who_Dat 11-03-2020 06:10 PM

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Media needs to fill content and sow controversy... if 60% of talking head reporting BS opinion ... not fact.

The Dude 11-03-2020 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat (Post 902402)
Media needs to fill content and sow controversy... if 60% of talking head reporting BS opinion ... not fact.

Not true. Every single thing CNN reports is 100% fact with no bias whatsoever.

dam1953 11-03-2020 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 902403)
Not true. Every single thing CNN reports is 100% fact with no bias whatsoever.

Yep. I heard on CNN that the Saints had a deal done to trade Thomas but for Russian interference.

shawnkytonk 11-03-2020 11:03 PM

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I thought we wanted to keep politics out of football. I mean, who actually watches CNN? Get your news the old fashioned way.......read it. And not on Fakebook.

st thomas 11-04-2020 05:23 PM

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I wish the wizards would kill this thread. Plahhheeese


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AsylumGuido 11-04-2020 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by st thomas (Post 902442)
I wish the wizards would kill this thread. Plahhheeese


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It was dying. You just gave it mouth to mouth.


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