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WhoDat!656 10-24-2020 06:03 PM

Saints willing to consider Michael Thomas trade?
 
According to Mike Florio of ProFootballTalk, some around the NFL believe the Saints are open to listening to offers for Thomas, or that Thomas is interested in leaving the organization.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl...nL?li=BB15ms5q

K Major 10-24-2020 06:05 PM

Re: Saints willing to consider Michael Thomas trade?
 
The Saints aren't trading MT.

ChrisXVI 10-24-2020 06:58 PM

Re: Saints willing to consider Michael Thomas trade?
 
It isn’t even financially possible.

jeanpierre 10-24-2020 07:33 PM

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bobdog86 10-24-2020 08:52 PM

Re: Saints willing to consider Michael Thomas trade?
 
Hogwash

shawnkytonk 10-25-2020 12:47 AM

Re: Saints willing to consider Michael Thomas trade?
 
Florio is terrible. Always has been.

Cruize 10-25-2020 08:39 AM

Re: Saints willing to consider Michael Thomas trade?
 
None of us knows what goes on behind closed doors or in the locker room. It could range from two guys simply despising each other all the way up to Mike having emotional and or mental issues. It could have already been put to rest or it could linger and have a negative impact on the team overall moving forward. It's not impossible that Mike won't be traded. Due to his talents and salary, the Saints will do everything in their power to keep him. Mike has been blessed to have Brees as his QB and Payton as his coach. It's a large part in what got him paid. If he had got drafted by the Jets, we would see him, if we saw him at all, as a good player on a bad team. He's not bigger than the Saints. He's not the MVP of the Saints. If he truly wants out, he will get his wish.

dizzle88 10-25-2020 10:06 AM

Re: Saints willing to consider Michael Thomas trade?
 
Anyone is on the trade block.

Payton traded Jimmy Graham directly after a 17 TD season.

Halo 10-25-2020 10:13 AM

Re: Saints willing to consider Michael Thomas trade?
 
I agree with Cruize - we don't know what goes on behind the scenes.

My take: Front office "shops" players for trades at times that mostly never transpire. Happens all the time.

I think someone, an insider, in another team overheard the trade possibility of the Saints shopping MT, and that's where the report came from. Every team has snitches, but the Saints have put a lid on their leaks in recent years.

Will this happen? Nah. Could have been they were looking to trade someone else and the other team said, "sure, besides your draft picks, we also want Michael Thomas," and NAH, ain't happening.

Rugby Saint II 10-25-2020 04:47 PM

Re: Saints willing to consider Michael Thomas trade?
 
If he doesn't gel better with the coaches then yeah, I could see it.

BakoSaint 10-25-2020 06:51 PM

Re: Saints willing to consider Michael Thomas trade?
 
I would do it. Post Brees, I think its actually harder to develop a new franchise QB when you have an all pro receiver. For a QB like Brees, an All Pro receiver is a great asset. For a young QB, a receiver like Michael Thomas is a crutch that prevents them from developing and seeing the whole field. Teams with all pro type receivers rarely win it all, and young QBs who get such receivers too early rarely develop. Look at what Calvin Johnson did for Stafford, what Julio did for Matt Ryan, what OBJ, Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, etc did for the young QBS they worked with. Look at at what AJ Green did for Dalton. You want to do like the Saints, 49ers, Patriots, Colts, etc and bring in the great WR when the franchise QB has matured more and learned to see the whole field and not rely on one crutch.

ChrisXVI 10-25-2020 07:12 PM

Re: Saints willing to consider Michael Thomas trade?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 901101)
I would do it. Post Brees, I think its actually harder to develop a new franchise QB when you have an all pro receiver. For a QB like Brees, an All Pro receiver is a great asset. For a young QB, a receiver like Michael Thomas is a crutch that prevents them from developing and seeing the whole field. Teams with all pro type receivers rarely win it all, and young QBs who get such receivers too early rarely develop. Look at what Calvin Johnson did for Stafford, what Julio did for Matt Ryan, what OBJ, Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, etc did for the young QBS they worked with. Look at at what AJ Green did for Dalton. You want to do like the Saints, 49ers, Patriots, Colts, etc and bring in the great WR when the franchise QB has matured more and learned to see the whole field and not rely on one crutch.

Bro I get what you’re saying, but again... it isn’t financially possible.

jeanpierre 10-25-2020 07:23 PM

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jeanpierre 10-25-2020 07:26 PM

Re: Saints willing to consider Michael Thomas trade?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 901102)
Bro I get what you’re saying, but again... it isn’t financially possible.

Chris, ANYONE can be moved...

A Sign and Trade is what would likely happen, if it were to happen...

Guaranteeing more money of the existing contract whereby the contract would be restructured to lessen the Saints cap hit, that is, depending on the compensation (e.g. player in return, draft picks, et cetera)...

I give it a 1:3 chance only because there is some traction after the Thomas outburst, refusal to comply on Sean's directions...

But Payton has moved divas I never thought we'd move, i.e. Brandin Cooks, but some of us never saw real diva from him but he got moved all the same...

In fact, if Sean plans on keeping his gig long-term, which he does as he's staying here so long as he wants to be here, he has to reset who's the alpha of alphas in that locker room after Thomas' insubordination...

ChrisXVI 10-25-2020 07:34 PM

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Would Mike become the most hated player in Saints history if he forced his way out now? For me personally, yes probably.

The Dude 10-25-2020 08:08 PM

Re: Saints willing to consider Michael Thomas trade?
 
This would be really unfortunate. I would love to have him for his career but if he doesn’t want to buy into the culture maybe it’s for the best. I hold out hope that all this is just media B.S. Maybe Florio heard that a couple teams reached out but the Saints shut them down.
Is there really a player we can get that would put us over the top THIS year in addition to any draft picks? I think it would have to be a stud player and a first and second.

Audiotom 10-25-2020 10:48 PM

Re: Saints willing to consider Michael Thomas trade?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 900753)
Anyone is on the trade block.

Payton traded Jimmy Graham directly after a 17 TD season.

and Brandon Cooks who was blazing fast, his favorite weapon etc
After he complain of not getting the ball in a blowout where he was the deep decoy

TheOak 10-26-2020 04:08 AM

Re: Saints willing to consider Michael Thomas trade?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 901102)
Bro I get what you’re saying, but again... it isn’t financially possible.

Player contracts are portable. If we out right cut him we would face the 28MM in dead cap and yes that is probably an unfeasible option. What we could do is either trade him away for whatever someone is willing to give or say screw it and trade him for a 7th and be done with it... the latter would cost someone their job.

The thought of Brady throwing to MT causes me to lose sleep. :bng:

Budsdrinker 10-26-2020 07:42 AM

Re: Saints willing to consider Michael Thomas trade?
 
Thomas isn't going anywhere unless he does something to void his contract.
With his cap hit and Brees' possible retiring after this season, those 2 would count for over 40 million on next year's salary cap which is expected to be lower due to less revenue this year.

SmashMouth 10-26-2020 07:54 AM

Re: Saints willing to consider Michael Thomas trade?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker (Post 901169)
Thomas isn't going anywhere unless he does something to void his contract.
With his cap hit and Brees' possible retiring after this season, those 2 would count for over 40 million on next year's salary cap which is expected to be lower due to less revenue this year.

Did he indeed break a contract rule with his punch?

The Dude 10-26-2020 08:41 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 901170)
Did he indeed break a contract rule with his punch?

Not specifically. It was up to the Saints to deal out the punishment they saw fit. There’s a clause in his contract that voids up to 35 mil of his guaranteed money if he’s suspended by the Saints or the league. They chose to just fine him and sit him, not officially suspend him. They could have officially suspended him but they did him a solid by not doing it.

gosaints1 10-26-2020 10:10 AM

Re: Saints willing to consider Michael Thomas trade?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 901176)
Not specifically. It was up to the Saints to deal out the punishment they saw fit. There’s a clause in his contract that voids up to 35 mil of his guaranteed money if he’s suspended by the Saints or the league. They chose to just fine him and sit him, not officially suspend him. They could have officially suspended him but they did him a solid by not doing it.

MT#12 doesn’t have an “official” history of incidents requiring punishment, and with the help of the NFLPA, he would have appealed, and most talking heads discussing this issue state unambiguously that MT#12 would have won that appeal. Trust me, MT#12 was not “done a solid” by the Saints. He was always on top of the situation. Now though, he does have an “official” fine/punishment and infraction history, so it’s much easier for the team to punish harder, should MT#12 become a problem, or..., more if a problem, if you prefer.

Dude’s a beast, those complaining about a practice field scuffle are just clutching their respective pearls, imho.

SaintFanInATLHELL 10-26-2020 10:40 AM

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It's MT#13 right? Callaway is currently wearing #12.

SFIAH

gosaints1 10-26-2020 10:58 AM

Re: Saints willing to consider Michael Thomas trade?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 901193)
It's MT#13 right? Callaway is currently wearing #12.

SFIAH

lol, Freudian Slip? lol. Nah, just reading the commentary surround Colston and Callaway. Have had Callaway on the brain since I saw him returning kicks three weeks ago, was excited to watch this past game with his activity greatly increased, but ultimately couldn’t afford the time needed to watch it, and see his play with my own two eyes, live. The number 12 just popped into the old brain bucket, lol. Mistake, very simply, a mistake. Thank’s for the correction/head’s-up, and you’re absolutely correct; it is MT#13.

AsylumGuido 10-27-2020 03:55 PM

Re: Saints willing to consider Michael Thomas trade?
 
LOL!!


Halo 10-27-2020 06:37 PM

Re: Saints willing to consider Michael Thomas trade?
 
Lots of chitter chatter about Michael Thomas may want out of New Orleans. Heard on ESPN radio a mention.

st thomas 10-27-2020 07:14 PM

Re: Saints willing to consider Michael Thomas trade?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Halo (Post 901345)
Lots of chitter chatter about Michael Thomas may want out of New Orleans. Heard on ESPN radio a mention.


AJ Green and a 3rd swap


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hitta 10-27-2020 07:20 PM

Re: Saints willing to consider Michael Thomas trade?
 
Tre'Quan Smith stepping up and playing like I knew he was capable of along with some other people stepping up makes it something worth asking. I doubt we do it, but we could get some amazing returns for him. Heck maybe we could get a first for him, pair it with the other first and some other stuff and win the Trevor Lawrence sweepstakes. Jets already have Sam Darnold, hey have no idea what he's capable of if he has pieces around him, so they may be willing to part ways with the pick. I'd give up a ton for Trevor Lawerence cause I think the guy is future HoFer.

AsylumGuido 10-28-2020 08:14 AM

Re: Saints willing to consider Michael Thomas trade?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Halo (Post 901345)
Lots of chitter chatter about Michael Thomas may want out of New Orleans. Heard on ESPN radio a mention.

It's all a bunch of nothing. Every year just prior to the trade deadline there is a batch of supposition articles about trade possibilities that are thrown out there and invariably some ignorant few see the headlines and assume it is real news. That's what Payton's tweet was addressing. PFT and Mike Florio ran with a headline and implied that the Saints were shopping Thomas. Payton quickly denied this. The next day PFT changes their story and said that Thomas' party "may have been" inquiring about trade partners instead. Thus the Payton tweet with the backpedaling bicycle rider.

bobdog86 10-28-2020 08:30 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by st thomas (Post 901349)
AJ Green and a 3rd swap


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When was the last year Green was healthy? Seems like he's hurt literally every season. Can't remember last time he played a full season. Maybe he has, just seems like he's riddled with the injury bug. Pass

WW_Who_Dat 10-28-2020 09:20 AM

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Cut the crap MT is not going anywhere ... he is an Alpha Male player and displays that in every completion against his opponents. He probably is mostly the same in all his interactions ... he went a bit to far and was called on it ... end of story ... everything else is White Noise generated by the talking heads which if you’ve got any sense about these things Is waste of Brain activity. Thomas is not going anywhere this season and only if this becomes a pattern, don’t expect that, do We have to start worring about SP shipping him out. Not likely so can we put this media driven nonsense to rest once and for all.

Rell&Gold 10-28-2020 09:52 AM

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We can tell who though AK41 was getting traded, they had the biggest sloce of humble pie. Some you should be comedians. How dare ylu compare MT to Cooks....MT is what MADE Cooks available for trade. Some yall worse than the media. One incident and he's hard to coach, a diva, etc how about wish him the best on his recovery and take ANYTHING not from the source w/ a grain of salt

mapcow 10-28-2020 10:43 AM

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must be that Thomas and Brees don't see eye to eye anymore

https://sports.yahoo.com/saints-wr-m...3R7UqSBMfR4o2o

AsylumGuido 10-28-2020 10:51 AM

Re: Saints willing to consider Michael Thomas trade?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mapcow (Post 901399)
must be that Thomas and Brees don't see eye to eye anymore

https://sports.yahoo.com/saints-wr-m...3R7UqSBMfR4o2o

Must be you don't have a clue if you are referring to blog articles from five months ago.

:D

October 13 - “I’ve spoken with Mike,” Brees said, via Luke Johnson of NOLA.com. “Mike and I talk a lot, both personally in the locker room, by text message — we’re always communicating. So at the end of the day, Mike has been part of this team, he’s going to be a big part of this team moving forward.

“We had an incident and Sean addressed it and many of the leaders have spoken with Mike as well. We’re going to be all good.”

Rugby Saint II 10-28-2020 01:25 PM

Re: Saints willing to consider Michael Thomas trade?
 
There is a lot of talk saying that Drew and Thomas have worked it out. I don't buy it. First off, Michael Thomas made the socially incorrect egregious error of calling Drew out on social media rather than talking to him man to man. I lost all respect for him then. Strike one. Then he sucker punches a teammate. Strike two. I'm just waiting to see if there is a strike three before I dismiss him as a player I want on my team.

Michael Thomas would not have accomplished as much with a different QB that doesn't have Drew's accuracy and ability to read the field. If he wants to leave he won't be as good. He's gifted but he's not bigger than the team.

I want badly to keep him but I've seen first hand how a disgruntled player can't change the good vibe of a team by sewing discontent. It's tough to come back when it becomes poisonous. As a coach for a voluntary team sport I'm willing to throw a popular player off the team because in the long run the team gets back to playing smoothly and comfortably together again.

In life I do my best to eliminate what are true problems no matter the consequences. I come from a martial arts background as an instructor where I'm not to be questioned. If you have a problem come to me in private with it in writing so we can discuss it with a clear outcome in mind.

AsylumGuido 10-28-2020 01:33 PM

Re: Saints willing to consider Michael Thomas trade?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 901428)
There is a lot of talk saying that Drew and Thomas have worked it out. I don't buy it. First off, Michael Thomas made the socially incorrect egregious error of calling Drew out on social media rather than talking to him man to man. I lost all respect for him then. Strike one. Then he sucker punches a teammate. Strike two. I'm just waiting to see if there is a strike three before I dismiss him as a player I want on my team.

Michael Thomas would not have accomplished as much with a different QB that doesn't have Drew's accuracy and ability to read the field. If he wants to leave he won't be as good. He's gifted but he's not bigger than the team.

I want badly to keep him but I've seen first hand how a disgruntled player can't change the good vibe of a team by sewing discontent. It's tough to come back when it becomes poisonous. As a coach for a voluntary team sport I'm willing to throw a popular player off the team because in the long run the team gets back to playing smoothly and comfortably together again.

In life I do my best to eliminate what are true problems no matter the consequences. I come from a martial arts background as an instructor where I'm not to be questioned. If you have a problem come to me in private with it in writing so we can discuss it with a clear outcome in mind.

Thomas and Brees did meet in private MONTHS ago and worked it out. They have both repeatedly said this. What do either have to gain by lying about it? What you believe really doesn't matter. You are trying to make something out of nothing. Practice fights have happened since football began. Have you personally spoken with either Brees or Thomas and have been enlightened with something other than both have shared? Didn't think so, Rugs. :D

vpheughan 10-28-2020 01:42 PM

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"Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II
.....would not have accomplished as much with a different QB that doesn't have Drew's accuracy and ability to read the field.

Ask Jimmy Graham 51 TD as a Saint 27 with 3 other teams.

The Dude 10-28-2020 03:32 PM

Re: Saints willing to consider Michael Thomas trade?
 
The more I read between the lines the more I think CGJ or “Ceedy Duece” is a bigger problem and instigator than Thomas. Unfortunately Thomas threw the first punch but I get the feeling CJG is a complete dick.
Thomas can back up his personality on the field, CGJ ain’t there yet.

WW_Who_Dat 10-28-2020 03:48 PM

Re: Saints willing to consider Michael Thomas trade?
 
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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 901449)
The more I read between the lines the more I think CGJ or “Ceedy Duece” is a bigger problem and instigator than Thomas. Unfortunately Thomas threw the first punch but I get the feeling CJG is a complete dick.
Thomas can back up his personality on the field, CGJ ain’t there yet.

Well stated Sir ... Unfortunately it come down to respect for your opponent. All the posturing chest thumping and thrash talking leads the this type of situation. Gone are days when players did their thing got up and went back to the huddle a defensive line without inciting the opposing player. AKA Quiet Storm.

mapcow 10-29-2020 10:29 AM

Re: Saints willing to consider Michael Thomas trade?
 
You were there, i am sure


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