Saints Wednesday Injury Report: 2020 Week 8 at Chicago Bears

Rugby Saint II · 10-31-2020, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

Non sequitor argument, you know that. Without a doubt, winning out would put us as the division winner and in the playoffs. But..., we haven’t done that yet and you stated that “most of the league would love to be in our position”. And that’s just a non-truth, bc of where we sit currently, right now. Not where we Could be if “luck” favors us. And if “luck” played a role, significant or not, in Eli Manning’s Super Bowl championships, then “luck” was responsible also for the Saints one championship. “Luck” is an excuse. No different from a chef blaming his pot of water boiling differently this time than last, for his bad pasta dish. It would be an excuse, not a reason. There are WAY too many absolutes that dictate the success of his dish than just chalking failure up to an inexact thermodynamics beginning. One pot, one gallon of water, and one fire source, and I guarantee you the water will boil differently every single time over a billion iterations.

No different with the NFL. Success is born on the back of preparation, repetition, conditioning, etc... Those attributes, among many other known absolutes, trump any “luck” mucking things up. Luck, regardless of possession or absence of it, is an excuse. It is not a reason, either for success..., or failure.

TLDR: Is our current record playoff-worthy right now? The answer is no. Leading to a non sequitor argument, unambiguously. Nobody knows what the future holds. We absolutely DO know the current state of affairs.

We got all the lucky bounces in '09. Even the ambush call gave us a good bounce. You make your own luck most of the time and sometimes you are rewarded for your hard work with a little luck. I have always believed that we make our own luck. Of course it's harder to get lucky when you play against the refs as well each week. We called out the officials for lousy officiating for years now. Do you honestly believe that they don't carry a grudge? The refs are human after all and most humans are petty when they get called out and embarrassed.

As a rugby ref when a team continuously question my calls I just enforce them harder and without any kind of leniency. They are trying to influence my calls and it works....just not to their advantage. Of course, my calls are still fair....mostly.

gosaints1 · 10-31-2020, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

We got all the lucky bounces in '09. Even the ambush call gave us a good bounce. You make your own luck most of the time and sometimes you are rewarded for your hard work with a little luck. I have always believed that we make our own luck. Of course it's harder to get lucky when you play against the refs as well each week. We called out the officials for lousy officiating for years now. Do you honestly believe that they don't carry a grudge? The refs are human after all and most humans are petty when they get called out and embarrassed.

As a rugby ref when a team continuously question my calls I just enforce them harder and without any kind of leniency. They are trying to influence my calls and it works....just not to their advantage. Of course, my calls are still fair....mostly.

I hear your point, and understand it. I just don’t believe in using it as an excuse for failure. Nobody can control the way a ball bounces, nor whether somebody is going to make an obvious DPI call either. But, that randomness exists for each and every team in the league, rendering “luck” a moot point, as we all have access to the same randomness. You just can’t control randomness, the best way to mitigate it’s effect, is to be in a position where a randomly bad bounce or a missed call is not the single difference maker in deciding a win or loss.

And I would argue that there was absolutely nothing “lucky” about the Ambush call. A lot of hard work and time, an extremely high level of analysis, went into making that decision..., it wasn’t just a lucky guess and the ball bouncing fortuitously in our favor. That 09 team worked its hind-end off to get to 13-0, making the final two games unimportant bc home field advantage was already locked up. The same “luck”, that existed for us then, existed for every other team in their unique games also.

10-31-2020, 01:24 PM	#1
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,167	Re: Saints Wednesday Injury Report: 2020 Week 8 at Chicago Bears Originally Posted by gosaints1 Non sequitor argument, you know that. Without a doubt, winning out would put us as the division winner and in the playoffs. But..., we haven’t done that yet and you stated that “most of the league would love to be in our position”. And that’s just a non-truth, bc of where we sit currently, right now. Not where we Could be if “luck” favors us. And if “luck” played a role, significant or not, in Eli Manning’s Super Bowl championships, then “luck” was responsible also for the Saints one championship. “Luck” is an excuse. No different from a chef blaming his pot of water boiling differently this time than last, for his bad pasta dish. It would be an excuse, not a reason. There are WAY too many absolutes that dictate the success of his dish than just chalking failure up to an inexact thermodynamics beginning. One pot, one gallon of water, and one fire source, and I guarantee you the water will boil differently every single time over a billion iterations. No different with the NFL. Success is born on the back of preparation, repetition, conditioning, etc... Those attributes, among many other known absolutes, trump any “luck” mucking things up. Luck, regardless of possession or absence of it, is an excuse. It is not a reason, either for success..., or failure. TLDR: Is our current record playoff-worthy right now? The answer is no. Leading to a non sequitor argument, unambiguously. Nobody knows what the future holds. We absolutely DO know the current state of affairs. We got all the lucky bounces in '09. Even the ambush call gave us a good bounce. You make your own luck most of the time and sometimes you are rewarded for your hard work with a little luck. I have always believed that we make our own luck. Of course it's harder to get lucky when you play against the refs as well each week. We called out the officials for lousy officiating for years now. Do you honestly believe that they don't carry a grudge? The refs are human after all and most humans are petty when they get called out and embarrassed. As a rugby ref when a team continuously question my calls I just enforce them harder and without any kind of leniency. They are trying to influence my calls and it works....just not to their advantage. Of course, my calls are still fair....mostly. gosaints1 likes this.
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10-31-2020, 02:02 PM	#2
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: Saints Wednesday Injury Report: 2020 Week 8 at Chicago Bears Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II We got all the lucky bounces in '09. Even the ambush call gave us a good bounce. You make your own luck most of the time and sometimes you are rewarded for your hard work with a little luck. I have always believed that we make our own luck. Of course it's harder to get lucky when you play against the refs as well each week. We called out the officials for lousy officiating for years now. Do you honestly believe that they don't carry a grudge? The refs are human after all and most humans are petty when they get called out and embarrassed. As a rugby ref when a team continuously question my calls I just enforce them harder and without any kind of leniency. They are trying to influence my calls and it works....just not to their advantage. Of course, my calls are still fair....mostly. I hear your point, and understand it. I just don’t believe in using it as an excuse for failure. Nobody can control the way a ball bounces, nor whether somebody is going to make an obvious DPI call either. But, that randomness exists for each and every team in the league, rendering “luck” a moot point, as we all have access to the same randomness. You just can’t control randomness, the best way to mitigate it’s effect, is to be in a position where a randomly bad bounce or a missed call is not the single difference maker in deciding a win or loss. And I would argue that there was absolutely nothing “lucky” about the Ambush call. A lot of hard work and time, an extremely high level of analysis, went into making that decision..., it wasn’t just a lucky guess and the ball bouncing fortuitously in our favor. That 09 team worked its hind-end off to get to 13-0, making the final two games unimportant bc home field advantage was already locked up. The same “luck”, that existed for us then, existed for every other team in their unique games also.
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