Taysom or Jameis?

dizzle88 · 11-18-2020, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

I need Jameis to show me something. He kept looking at his receivers and almost had 2 int's. I felt much more comfortable with Bridgewater. That said I'm willing to give Jameis a shot.

Same for Taysom Hill. They may play both. For Taysom to be effective, even in Wildcat situations, he must throw the ball. Teams have been just lining up for run blitz when he gets in the huddle. He's the worst secret in the NFL. When he does throw people are wide open.

Remember when Teddy played last year, Payton pretty much removed Taysom from the gameplan in case QB1 got injured.

I had high hopes for Taysom when he got in the last game, but those were dashed by 2 plays. Mesh concept where had Sanders or Cook, both wide open. He had an absolute boat load of time and still took a sack.
Then trying to put the game away for good he fumbled.

Jameis doesn't seem to have any other play than the bullet pass either, its just a throw and hope.

K Major · 11-18-2020, 12:25 PM

ATL will have to deal with BOTH.

st thomas · 11-18-2020, 12:28 PM

Let laysum taysom start I say, what the hell, ty Montgomery played QB in high school just keep us in the hunt till brees gets back. The pun has already started on Winston in contest all over the place

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The Dude · 11-18-2020, 02:47 PM

I’ll reserve judgement until after I see either in a game plan tailor made for them. Whoever they play they need to leave them in there long enough to establish a rhythm.

st thomas · 11-18-2020, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

I’ll reserve judgement until after I see either in a game plan tailor made for them. Whoever they play they need to leave them in there long enough to establish a rhythm.

Agreed

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SaintFanInATLHELL · 11-18-2020, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

I’ll reserve judgement until after I see either in a game plan tailor made for them. Whoever they play they need to leave them in there long enough to establish a rhythm.

Won't happen. That's never been the Payton offense. Cycling personnel and packages is an integral part of the offense.

Just from the small sample we saw in the 2nd half Sunday, Payton's typical mixins didn't seem to bother Winston too much.

What I wonder is how is red zone offense going to operate. It got tough for Winston inside the 10 both times the Saints got in there.

SFIAH

AsylumGuido · 11-18-2020, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Won't happen. That's never been the Payton offense. Cycling personnel and packages is an integral part of the offense.

Just from the small sample we saw in the 2nd half Sunday, Payton's typical mixins didn't seem to bother Winston too much.

What I wonder is how is red zone offense going to operate. It got tough for Winston inside the 10 both times the Saints got in there.

SFIAH

It takes a special touch and vision inside the ten. That's what makes Brees so great down close. He's automatic.

Cruize · 11-18-2020, 04:23 PM

Hill. But, let him be a QB first. Let him run in certain situations. Let him throw the 5 to 15 yard passes Drew throws. Let him roll out with simple reads. Let him run if the pocket breaks down. Hill is a bad***. But, that has been in limited snaps. He will not last a full game running first and trying to run over people. Instruct him to slide or run our of bounds after achieving first downs. He can be a better version of the Ravens Jackson. I truly believe that.

I have never been a Winston fan. Never will be. I hope he proves me wrong as I believe Payton will choose him.

K Major · 11-18-2020, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by Cruize

Hill. But, let him be a QB first. Let him run in certain situations. Let him throw the 5 to 15 yard passes Drew throws. Let him roll out with simple reads. Let him run if the pocket breaks down. Hill is a bad***. But, that has been in limited snaps. He will not last a full game running first and trying to run over people. Instruct him to slide or run our of bounds after achieving first downs. He can be a better version of the Ravens Jackson. I truly believe that.

I have never been a Winston fan. Never will be. I hope he proves me wrong as I believe Payton will choose him.

Payton will "choose" Winston because he is the logical choice. Doesn't matter if you are fan of his or not.

Taysom is not a NFL QB. He's a gimmick player. Every time we ask him to pass, he looks like a high school QB trying to make his first start. His footwork is terrible, he's inaccurate, he hesitates, ZERO pocket awareness and he can't read the field. Once again on Sunday, he was given a pass and missed a wide open Cook over the middle.

Winston is the better QB, though he's very flawed himself.

Cruize · 11-19-2020, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Payton will "choose" Winston because he is the logical choice. Doesn't matter if you are fan of his or not.

Taysom is not a NFL QB. He's a gimmick player. Every time we ask him to pass, he looks like a high school QB trying to make his first start. His footwork is terrible, he's inaccurate, he hesitates, ZERO pocket awareness and he can't read the field. Once again on Sunday, he was given a pass and missed a wide open Cook over the middle.

Winston is the better QB, though he's very flawed himself.

-Payton will choose Winston because of his arm talent and because Payton is and always will be a pass first coach. He's also going to need a QB moving forward. I get it. I understand it. If Payton can magically do what no one else has done and keep Winston from being a turnover machine and game loser, the Saints certainly have enough talent to win with him. I just don't see that happening. Winston was given EVERY opportunity in Tampa to succeed. He did not.
-Hill can absolutely be a NFL QB. He's smart. He's tough. He's fearless. He's so far beyond a gimmick player it's ridiculous. For his contributions, he's easily one of the MVP's on the team. I actually like his small body of work at QB. Would love to see more. Every QB misses passes. The current offense genuinely fits him more than Winston. Short to intermediate passing except now with benefits. The plus's being the RPO's which will utilize Kamara and Murray more. His superior ability to not only get first downs with his running but the possibility of chunk plays and TD's in the redzone with his legs. More opportunities to control the clock and thus more rest for the defense. His lack of tape making him harder to defense. His arm strength over Brees brings the deep ball back in play in a surprise type fashion. I like his potential. I believe in his upside. I believe the Saints will win more games this season with Hill starting over Winston. Hill is fun to watch and easy to root for.
-Payton will choose Winston. It is a real choice. It has real consequences for the Falcons game, into next season and beyond. I absolutely hope the Saints win with Winston under center. I fear Brees retiring after this season and the Saints signing Winston to a high salaried, long term deal. I believe it would be a mistake.

11-18-2020, 12:42 PM	#1
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,534	Re: Taysom or Jameis? Originally Posted by Halo I need Jameis to show me something. He kept looking at his receivers and almost had 2 int's. I felt much more comfortable with Bridgewater. That said I'm willing to give Jameis a shot. Same for Taysom Hill. They may play both. For Taysom to be effective, even in Wildcat situations, he must throw the ball. Teams have been just lining up for run blitz when he gets in the huddle. He's the worst secret in the NFL. When he does throw people are wide open. Remember when Teddy played last year, Payton pretty much removed Taysom from the gameplan in case QB1 got injured. I had high hopes for Taysom when he got in the last game, but those were dashed by 2 plays. Mesh concept where had Sanders or Cook, both wide open. He had an absolute boat load of time and still took a sack. Then trying to put the game away for good he fumbled. Jameis doesn't seem to have any other play than the bullet pass either, its just a throw and hope. SmashMouth and jeanpierre like this.

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11-18-2020, 02:51 PM	#5
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Taysom or Jameis? Originally Posted by The Dude I’ll reserve judgement until after I see either in a game plan tailor made for them. Whoever they play they need to leave them in there long enough to establish a rhythm. Agreed Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

11-18-2020, 02:58 PM	#6
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Taysom or Jameis? Originally Posted by The Dude I’ll reserve judgement until after I see either in a game plan tailor made for them. Whoever they play they need to leave them in there long enough to establish a rhythm. Won't happen. That's never been the Payton offense. Cycling personnel and packages is an integral part of the offense. Just from the small sample we saw in the 2nd half Sunday, Payton's typical mixins didn't seem to bother Winston too much. What I wonder is how is red zone offense going to operate. It got tough for Winston inside the 10 both times the Saints got in there. SFIAH

11-18-2020, 03:12 PM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Taysom or Jameis? Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Won't happen. That's never been the Payton offense. Cycling personnel and packages is an integral part of the offense. Just from the small sample we saw in the 2nd half Sunday, Payton's typical mixins didn't seem to bother Winston too much. What I wonder is how is red zone offense going to operate. It got tough for Winston inside the 10 both times the Saints got in there. SFIAH It takes a special touch and vision inside the ten. That's what makes Brees so great down close. He's automatic. RailBoss likes this.

11-18-2020, 04:23 PM	#8
Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,467	Re: Taysom or Jameis? Hill. But, let him be a QB first. Let him run in certain situations. Let him throw the 5 to 15 yard passes Drew throws. Let him roll out with simple reads. Let him run if the pocket breaks down. Hill is a bad***. But, that has been in limited snaps. He will not last a full game running first and trying to run over people. Instruct him to slide or run our of bounds after achieving first downs. He can be a better version of the Ravens Jackson. I truly believe that. I have never been a Winston fan. Never will be. I hope he proves me wrong as I believe Payton will choose him. jnormand and Thirty3 like this.
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11-18-2020, 06:51 PM	#9
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,831 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Taysom or Jameis? Originally Posted by Cruize Hill. But, let him be a QB first. Let him run in certain situations. Let him throw the 5 to 15 yard passes Drew throws. Let him roll out with simple reads. Let him run if the pocket breaks down. Hill is a bad***. But, that has been in limited snaps. He will not last a full game running first and trying to run over people. Instruct him to slide or run our of bounds after achieving first downs. He can be a better version of the Ravens Jackson. I truly believe that. I have never been a Winston fan. Never will be. I hope he proves me wrong as I believe Payton will choose him. Payton will "choose" Winston because he is the logical choice. Doesn't matter if you are fan of his or not. Taysom is not a NFL QB. He's a gimmick player. Every time we ask him to pass, he looks like a high school QB trying to make his first start. His footwork is terrible, he's inaccurate, he hesitates, ZERO pocket awareness and he can't read the field. Once again on Sunday, he was given a pass and missed a wide open Cook over the middle. Winston is the better QB, though he's very flawed himself. SaintFanInATLHELL, Rsanders24, gosaints1 and 1 others like this.

11-19-2020, 12:49 PM	#10
Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,467	Re: Taysom or Jameis? Originally Posted by K Major Payton will "choose" Winston because he is the logical choice. Doesn't matter if you are fan of his or not. Taysom is not a NFL QB. He's a gimmick player. Every time we ask him to pass, he looks like a high school QB trying to make his first start. His footwork is terrible, he's inaccurate, he hesitates, ZERO pocket awareness and he can't read the field. Once again on Sunday, he was given a pass and missed a wide open Cook over the middle. Winston is the better QB, though he's very flawed himself. -Payton will choose Winston because of his arm talent and because Payton is and always will be a pass first coach. He's also going to need a QB moving forward. I get it. I understand it. If Payton can magically do what no one else has done and keep Winston from being a turnover machine and game loser, the Saints certainly have enough talent to win with him. I just don't see that happening. Winston was given EVERY opportunity in Tampa to succeed. He did not. -Hill can absolutely be a NFL QB. He's smart. He's tough. He's fearless. He's so far beyond a gimmick player it's ridiculous. For his contributions, he's easily one of the MVP's on the team. I actually like his small body of work at QB. Would love to see more. Every QB misses passes. The current offense genuinely fits him more than Winston. Short to intermediate passing except now with benefits. The plus's being the RPO's which will utilize Kamara and Murray more. His superior ability to not only get first downs with his running but the possibility of chunk plays and TD's in the redzone with his legs. More opportunities to control the clock and thus more rest for the defense. His lack of tape making him harder to defense. His arm strength over Brees brings the deep ball back in play in a surprise type fashion. I like his potential. I believe in his upside. I believe the Saints will win more games this season with Hill starting over Winston. Hill is fun to watch and easy to root for. -Payton will choose Winston. It is a real choice. It has real consequences for the Falcons game, into next season and beyond. I absolutely hope the Saints win with Winston under center. I fear Brees retiring after this season and the Saints signing Winston to a high salaried, long term deal. I believe it would be a mistake. 73Saint and Thirty3 like this.
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