How's It Look The Rest Of The Way

SaintFanInATLHELL · 11-25-2020, 09:20 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

They won't bring him back until he is ready enough and if he is ready enough then coming back against the Eagles is not "rushing". He probably won't be 100% until a couple of months after the season is over. No player is.

It makes total sense to bring him back when those that know far more than us deem it time. Thankfully "we" are not making those decisions as "we" don't have a real perspective.

I honestly really don't care if there are people who know more than I do. I'm just looking at this from a common sense perspective. It's likely by week 14 the Saints will be looking at playoff clinching scenarios, if not already clinched a playoff spot. That's going to limit the meaning of subsequent games.

The objective of the season is to win a Superbowl. Not to play what IMHO is going to be a rather useless game against the Eagles. If Brees is at 85% week 14 and taking another week off gets him to 95%, then it's rather foolish and risky to put him out there because he meets the technical definition of ready.

All it takes is one play just like the one a couple of weeks ago that makes Brees unavailable for the playoffs. He doesn't need a 4 game warmup for the playoffs.

Personally, I'd be perfectly fine if he sat through the KC game, played at Minnesota, then sit again week 17 to get ready for playoff football.

Let's not lose sight of the goal over ego. Brees has nothing to prove to any of us except to hoist the Lombardi again. So, if sitting out a extra game or two, or three, sets him up to be as healthy as possible for the playoffs, then I think that's the smart move.

SFIAH

Cruize · 11-26-2020, 07:39 AM

The Denver defense is MUCH better than the Falcons. It's also the perfect spot for one of those dreaded letdown games. Hopefully Taysom's energy AND play can help the team rise up.

AsylumGuido · 11-26-2020, 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

I honestly really don't care if there are people who know more than I do. I'm just looking at this from a common sense perspective. It's likely by week 14 the Saints will be looking at playoff clinching scenarios, if not already clinched a playoff spot. That's going to limit the meaning of subsequent games.

The objective of the season is to win a Superbowl. Not to play what IMHO is going to be a rather useless game against the Eagles. If Brees is at 85% week 14 and taking another week off gets him to 95%, then it's rather foolish and risky to put him out there because he meets the technical definition of ready.

All it takes is one play just like the one a couple of weeks ago that makes Brees unavailable for the playoffs. He doesn't need a 4 game warmup for the playoffs.

Personally, I'd be perfectly fine if he sat through the KC game, played at Minnesota, then sit again week 17 to get ready for playoff football.

Let's not lose sight of the goal over ego. Brees has nothing to prove to any of us except to hoist the Lombardi again. So, if sitting out a extra game or two, or three, sets him up to be as healthy as possible for the playoffs, then I think that's the smart move.

SFIAH

One play can happen whether the player is at 75% or 100%. At this time of year most every player is at somewhere around 80% max! Besides, every game counts. Getting that first round bye is critical. Settling for simply getting a playoff spot clinched is hopefully not in their mindset.

Besides, there's no reason Brees shouldn't be healthy by the Eagles game. That's still a full three weeks away. The left side will have had five weeks to completely heal and the right (less fractures) four weeks. The lung should be pretty much healed by now. The timetable is around two weeks from what I have been told for a minor puncture and that has to have been what he had or he would have been hospitalized and not walking the sideline the remainder of the game.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 11-26-2020, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

One play can happen whether the player is at 75% or 100%. At this time of year most every player is at somewhere around 80% max! Besides, every game counts. Getting that first round bye is critical. Settling for simply getting a playoff spot clinched is hopefully not in their mindset.

Besides, there's no reason Brees shouldn't be healthy by the Eagles game. That's still a full three weeks away. The left side will have had five weeks to completely heal and the right (less fractures) four weeks. The lung should be pretty much healed by now. The timetable is around two weeks from what I have been told for a minor puncture and that has to have been what he had or he would have been hospitalized and not walking the sideline the remainder of the game.

My point is that the one play doesn't occur if the player is not in the game. The less exposure that Brees has during the regular season, the less likely that he'll be reinjured before the playoffs start.

We're talking about two completely different things. You are discussing Brees' injuries. I'm talking about how completely meaningless the Eagles game is in the scope of the season. Presuming the Saints go 3-0 in this Failclowns-Broncos-Failclowns stretch of games without Brees, the team will have proven that they can beat mediocre teams without Brees. So, then what's the point of exposing him to additional wear and tear?

I hope we can agree that the Saints need Brees to win the SuperBowl. It is unlikely they need him to beat the Eagles. Just give him another week off so that he can be better prepared for the playoff run, which is the only important agenda for the season.

SFIAH

saintsfan1976 · 11-26-2020, 09:53 AM

KC has a shaky defense and can't stop the run. I'm fine with Taysom running the offense I saw last week and winning a home game.

AsylumGuido · 11-26-2020, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

My point is that the one play doesn't occur if the player is not in the game. The less exposure that Brees has during the regular season, the less likely that he'll be reinjured before the playoffs start.

We're talking about two completely different things. You are discussing Brees' injuries. I'm talking about how completely meaningless the Eagles game is in the scope of the season. Presuming the Saints go 3-0 in this Failclowns-Broncos-Failclowns stretch of games without Brees, the team will have proven that they can beat mediocre teams without Brees. So, then what's the point of exposing him to additional wear and tear?

I hope we can agree that the Saints need Brees to win the SuperBowl. It is unlikely they need him to beat the Eagles. Just give him another week off so that he can be better prepared for the playoff run, which is the only important agenda for the season.

SFIAH

While it is true the likely don't need him to beat the Eagles, Brees is paid to be the Saints starting QB and as soon as he is able I'll guarantee you he'll be doing that job. Payton will have the best roster possible for every meaningful game and as long as the #1 seed is in reach EVERY game is meaningful. I see your (and others) take as fan-thought, not coach-thought.

Personally, I think his playing against the Eagles gives him a better chance to get his timing down to play the Chiefs the following week. But, our opinions don't matter one iota. They are going to do what they feel is best.

Audiotom · 11-26-2020, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

I honestly really don't care if there are people who know more than I do. I'm just looking at this from a common sense perspective. It's likely by week 14 the Saints will be looking at playoff clinching scenarios, if not already clinched a playoff spot. That's going to limit the meaning of subsequent games.

The objective of the season is to win a Superbowl. Not to play what IMHO is going to be a rather useless game against the Eagles. If Brees is at 85% week 14 and taking another week off gets him to 95%, then it's rather foolish and risky to put him out there because he meets the technical definition of ready.

All it takes is one play just like the one a couple of weeks ago that makes Brees unavailable for the playoffs. He doesn't need a 4 game warmup for the playoffs.

Personally, I'd be perfectly fine if he sat through the KC game, played at Minnesota, then sit again week 17 to get ready for playoff football.

Let's not lose sight of the goal over ego. Brees has nothing to prove to any of us except to hoist the Lombardi again. So, if sitting out a extra game or two, or three, sets him up to be as healthy as possible for the playoffs, then I think that's the smart move.

SFIAH

You are forgettting one thing

If Drew is “feeling good” for him
He never wants to miss a down

K Major · 11-27-2020, 12:18 PM

Looking ahead to Sunday's game vs Denver …

If Vic Fangio has a rough day running the football, it could spell disaster for Drew Locke (11 ints) in the passing game … just ask Matty "Ice".

Assuming our defense packs a consistent pass rush, I could see Drew throwing to one of our guys. He's currently ranks #2 in throwing it to the wrong team. Only QB with more int's than Locke is Carson Wentz with 14.

This should be an interesting match up.

jeanpierre · 11-27-2020, 01:42 PM

Major says...

AsylumGuido · 11-27-2020, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Looking ahead to Sunday's game vs Denver …

If Vic Fangio has a rough day running the football, it could spell disaster for Drew Locke (11 ints) in the passing game … just ask Matty "Ice".

Assuming our defense packs a consistent pass rush, I could see Drew throwing to one of our guys. He's currently ranks #2 in throwing it to the wrong team. Only QB with more int's than Locke is Carson Wentz with 14.

This should be an interesting match up.

Every week on Moving the Chains Pat and Jim do breakdowns on every upcoming game. The Broncos/Saints game has the largest margin between takeaway margins to date this season at 18 with Denver being at -13 and New Orleans at +5.

This could turn ugly in a very good way.

11-25-2020, 09:20 PM	#21
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,773	Re: How's It Look The Rest Of The Way Originally Posted by AsylumGuido They won't bring him back until he is ready enough and if he is ready enough then coming back against the Eagles is not "rushing". He probably won't be 100% until a couple of months after the season is over. No player is. It makes total sense to bring him back when those that know far more than us deem it time. Thankfully "we" are not making those decisions as "we" don't have a real perspective. I honestly really don't care if there are people who know more than I do. I'm just looking at this from a common sense perspective. It's likely by week 14 the Saints will be looking at playoff clinching scenarios, if not already clinched a playoff spot. That's going to limit the meaning of subsequent games. The objective of the season is to win a Superbowl. Not to play what IMHO is going to be a rather useless game against the Eagles. If Brees is at 85% week 14 and taking another week off gets him to 95%, then it's rather foolish and risky to put him out there because he meets the technical definition of ready. All it takes is one play just like the one a couple of weeks ago that makes Brees unavailable for the playoffs. He doesn't need a 4 game warmup for the playoffs. Personally, I'd be perfectly fine if he sat through the KC game, played at Minnesota, then sit again week 17 to get ready for playoff football. Let's not lose sight of the goal over ego. Brees has nothing to prove to any of us except to hoist the Lombardi again. So, if sitting out a extra game or two, or three, sets him up to be as healthy as possible for the playoffs, then I think that's the smart move. SFIAH saintsfan1976 and K Major like this.
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11-26-2020, 07:39 AM	#22
Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,452	Re: How's It Look The Rest Of The Way The Denver defense is MUCH better than the Falcons. It's also the perfect spot for one of those dreaded letdown games. Hopefully Taysom's energy AND play can help the team rise up.
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11-26-2020, 08:35 AM	#23
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,046	Re: How's It Look The Rest Of The Way Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL I honestly really don't care if there are people who know more than I do. I'm just looking at this from a common sense perspective. It's likely by week 14 the Saints will be looking at playoff clinching scenarios, if not already clinched a playoff spot. That's going to limit the meaning of subsequent games. The objective of the season is to win a Superbowl. Not to play what IMHO is going to be a rather useless game against the Eagles. If Brees is at 85% week 14 and taking another week off gets him to 95%, then it's rather foolish and risky to put him out there because he meets the technical definition of ready. All it takes is one play just like the one a couple of weeks ago that makes Brees unavailable for the playoffs. He doesn't need a 4 game warmup for the playoffs. Personally, I'd be perfectly fine if he sat through the KC game, played at Minnesota, then sit again week 17 to get ready for playoff football. Let's not lose sight of the goal over ego. Brees has nothing to prove to any of us except to hoist the Lombardi again. So, if sitting out a extra game or two, or three, sets him up to be as healthy as possible for the playoffs, then I think that's the smart move. SFIAH One play can happen whether the player is at 75% or 100%. At this time of year most every player is at somewhere around 80% max! Besides, every game counts. Getting that first round bye is critical. Settling for simply getting a playoff spot clinched is hopefully not in their mindset. Besides, there's no reason Brees shouldn't be healthy by the Eagles game. That's still a full three weeks away. The left side will have had five weeks to completely heal and the right (less fractures) four weeks. The lung should be pretty much healed by now. The timetable is around two weeks from what I have been told for a minor puncture and that has to have been what he had or he would have been hospitalized and not walking the sideline the remainder of the game.
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11-26-2020, 09:50 AM	#24
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,773	Re: How's It Look The Rest Of The Way Originally Posted by AsylumGuido One play can happen whether the player is at 75% or 100%. At this time of year most every player is at somewhere around 80% max! Besides, every game counts. Getting that first round bye is critical. Settling for simply getting a playoff spot clinched is hopefully not in their mindset. Besides, there's no reason Brees shouldn't be healthy by the Eagles game. That's still a full three weeks away. The left side will have had five weeks to completely heal and the right (less fractures) four weeks. The lung should be pretty much healed by now. The timetable is around two weeks from what I have been told for a minor puncture and that has to have been what he had or he would have been hospitalized and not walking the sideline the remainder of the game. My point is that the one play doesn't occur if the player is not in the game. The less exposure that Brees has during the regular season, the less likely that he'll be reinjured before the playoffs start. We're talking about two completely different things. You are discussing Brees' injuries. I'm talking about how completely meaningless the Eagles game is in the scope of the season. Presuming the Saints go 3-0 in this Failclowns-Broncos-Failclowns stretch of games without Brees, the team will have proven that they can beat mediocre teams without Brees. So, then what's the point of exposing him to additional wear and tear? I hope we can agree that the Saints need Brees to win the SuperBowl. It is unlikely they need him to beat the Eagles. Just give him another week off so that he can be better prepared for the playoff run, which is the only important agenda for the season. SFIAH K Major likes this.
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11-26-2020, 09:53 AM	#25
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11-26-2020, 06:36 PM	#26
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,046	Re: How's It Look The Rest Of The Way Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL My point is that the one play doesn't occur if the player is not in the game. The less exposure that Brees has during the regular season, the less likely that he'll be reinjured before the playoffs start. We're talking about two completely different things. You are discussing Brees' injuries. I'm talking about how completely meaningless the Eagles game is in the scope of the season. Presuming the Saints go 3-0 in this Failclowns-Broncos-Failclowns stretch of games without Brees, the team will have proven that they can beat mediocre teams without Brees. So, then what's the point of exposing him to additional wear and tear? I hope we can agree that the Saints need Brees to win the SuperBowl. It is unlikely they need him to beat the Eagles. Just give him another week off so that he can be better prepared for the playoff run, which is the only important agenda for the season. SFIAH While it is true the likely don't need him to beat the Eagles, Brees is paid to be the Saints starting QB and as soon as he is able I'll guarantee you he'll be doing that job. Payton will have the best roster possible for every meaningful game and as long as the #1 seed is in reach EVERY game is meaningful. I see your (and others) take as fan-thought, not coach-thought. Personally, I think his playing against the Eagles gives him a better chance to get his timing down to play the Chiefs the following week. But, our opinions don't matter one iota. They are going to do what they feel is best.
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11-26-2020, 07:55 PM	#27
Audiotom 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 1,094 Blog Entries: 1	Re: How's It Look The Rest Of The Way Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL I honestly really don't care if there are people who know more than I do. I'm just looking at this from a common sense perspective. It's likely by week 14 the Saints will be looking at playoff clinching scenarios, if not already clinched a playoff spot. That's going to limit the meaning of subsequent games. The objective of the season is to win a Superbowl. Not to play what IMHO is going to be a rather useless game against the Eagles. If Brees is at 85% week 14 and taking another week off gets him to 95%, then it's rather foolish and risky to put him out there because he meets the technical definition of ready. All it takes is one play just like the one a couple of weeks ago that makes Brees unavailable for the playoffs. He doesn't need a 4 game warmup for the playoffs. Personally, I'd be perfectly fine if he sat through the KC game, played at Minnesota, then sit again week 17 to get ready for playoff football. Let's not lose sight of the goal over ego. Brees has nothing to prove to any of us except to hoist the Lombardi again. So, if sitting out a extra game or two, or three, sets him up to be as healthy as possible for the playoffs, then I think that's the smart move. SFIAH You are forgettting one thing If Drew is “feeling good” for him He never wants to miss a down AsylumGuido and WW_Who_Dat like this.

11-27-2020, 12:18 PM	#28
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,589 Blog Entries: 3	Re: How's It Look The Rest Of The Way Looking ahead to Sunday's game vs Denver … If Vic Fangio has a rough day running the football, it could spell disaster for Drew Locke (11 ints) in the passing game … just ask Matty "Ice". Assuming our defense packs a consistent pass rush, I could see Drew throwing to one of our guys. He's currently ranks #2 in throwing it to the wrong team. Only QB with more int's than Locke is Carson Wentz with 14. This should be an interesting match up. RailBoss and jeanpierre like this.

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11-27-2020, 05:24 PM	#30
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,046	Re: How's It Look The Rest Of The Way Originally Posted by K Major Looking ahead to Sunday's game vs Denver … If Vic Fangio has a rough day running the football, it could spell disaster for Drew Locke (11 ints) in the passing game … just ask Matty "Ice". Assuming our defense packs a consistent pass rush, I could see Drew throwing to one of our guys. He's currently ranks #2 in throwing it to the wrong team. Only QB with more int's than Locke is Carson Wentz with 14. This should be an interesting match up. Every week on Moving the Chains Pat and Jim do breakdowns on every upcoming game. The Broncos/Saints game has the largest margin between takeaway margins to date this season at 18 with Denver being at -13 and New Orleans at +5. This could turn ugly in a very good way.