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rezburna 12-05-2020 11:55 PM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins
 
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 905735)
I agree Rez. MJ has helped stabilize things with his experience and I think they are getting enough pash rush from the front that there aren’t a lot of open guys for other QBs to throw to. What may be the downfall is the long, Hail Mary type passes like Rogers and Wilson love to throw. Big throws have killed over the last few seasons.

I agree, but it seems like he won’t be the culprit. They’re using him closer to the line of scrimmage a lot more often. That’s why my first post mentioned that they figured out how to use him. In cases where he does drop back into a Cover 2 shell he hasn’t been the problem to begin with. That’s Williams that likes to get beat on those plays! Lol. Those first two weeks MJ looked horrible, but he’s been consistently good since then.

59 tackles
9 passes defended
2 sacks
2 INT’s

And he doesn’t leave the field.

Boston Saint 12-06-2020 12:03 AM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins
 
All true. Especially about him not leaving the field. That goes all the way back to Philly I believe. He has only not been on the field like..5 snaps a year? Crazy. Plus, like you say, his playing closer in has reinforced the run D. It’s understated by the League, but haven’t the set a record for no 100 yard rushers ? That does soooo much to make other teams one dimensional.

rezburna 12-06-2020 12:19 AM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins
 
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 905737)
All true. Especially about him not leaving the field. That goes all the way back to Philly I believe. He has only not been on the field like..5 snaps a year? Crazy. Plus, like you say, his playing closer in has reinforced the run D. It’s understated by the League, but haven’t the set a record for no 100 yard rushers ? That does soooo much to make other teams one dimensional.

I believe so. This is why I kept saying I wasn’t worried about the defense. If we score like we’re supposed to we‘ll be just fine.

jnormand 12-06-2020 12:21 AM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins
 
Well...I figured this convo was gonna get crazy. Sheesh. But blasting people and calling them racist? Cmon.

Boston Saint 12-06-2020 12:35 AM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins
 
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Originally Posted by jnormand (Post 905739)
Well...I figured this convo was gonna get crazy. Sheesh. But blasting people and calling them racist? Cmon.

One of the main things missing online is subtlety and nuisance I believe (I could be wrong of course). It’s hard to interpret someone’s true intent or emotions. I’ve been here only a short while, but we all (ideally) are gathered here on this website as Saints fans. I can’t see how anyone that would know anything about the team and pull for the Saints and take time to post here be a racist...nor would I see anyone posting here and pulling for the Saints call another Saints fan a racist.

RailBoss 12-06-2020 12:38 AM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins
 
Kind of sucks for Vonn Bell the Bengals are 2 8 1 once again a good player on a horrible team.

saintsfan1976 12-06-2020 07:26 AM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins
 
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 905740)
One of the main things missing online is subtlety and nuisance I believe (I could be wrong of course). It’s hard to interpret someone’s true intent or emotions. I’ve been here only a short while, but we all (ideally) are gathered here on this website as Saints fans. I can’t see how anyone that would know anything about the team and pull for the Saints and take time to post here be a racist...nor would I see anyone posting here and pulling for the Saints call another Saints fan a racist.

unfortunately when a term meant for the most egregious of persons is now cast around so flippantly, it loses it's original mark.

"racist" lost the impact and now basically equates to "i don't like your beliefs"

It may be a good idea for us all to make a pact to keep these topics in Poli-Sci from now on.

dizzle88 12-06-2020 08:11 AM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins
 
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 905748)
unfortunately when a term meant for the most egregious of persons is now cast around so flippantly, it loses it's original mark.

"racist" lost the impact and now basically equates to "i don't like your beliefs"

It may be a good idea for us all to make a pact to keep these topics in Poli-Sci from now on.

Whilst the Internet has done so many good things for the world, one of the worst is that people can basically bully and accuse others of something, with little to no consequences.

As you said, people throw terms around so flippantly now they are the generic thing used when people try to win arguments.

Not sure if any of you are gamers, but I waited 7 years for a sequel to the Last of Us game, which I frankly didn't enjoy. However, write that on the Internet and you get accused of not liking the game because "it includes transgenders."

Internet can be a dangerous and idiotic place.

saintsfan1976 12-06-2020 09:00 AM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins
 
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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 905749)
Whilst the Internet has done so many good things for the world, one of the worst is that people can basically bully and accuse others of something, with little to no consequences.

As you said, people throw terms around so flippantly now they are the generic thing used when people try to win arguments.

Not sure if any of you are gamers, but I waited 7 years for a sequel to the Last of Us game, which I frankly didn't enjoy. However, write that on the Internet and you get accused of not liking the game because "it includes transgenders."

Internet can be a dangerous and idiotic place.

20 years ago those people ran in groups of 3-4 and weren’t given much thought. Today they’re organizing violent nationwide protests.

vpheughan 12-06-2020 09:03 AM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 905662)
Strength of Schedule can only be examined on the context of that season because of injury and free agency, and with wiser teams, the draft...

While the results of the defense have been great, the real test is coming with the Chiefs and our ability to not have to go through Green Bay...

Jenkins' play has been old, slow, poor, and he'll be exposed in the playoffs; and I'd say it whether I liked the jackhole or not...

Hated when we drafted him over Clay Matthews, and hated that we brought the older version back when we ought to have let Gardner move into that role and grabbed another true cornerback...


Hate all you want, won't change a thing! Fun to watch how what didn't happen rules your life!!

AsylumGuido 12-06-2020 10:39 AM

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Apparently the concept of rhetorical questions allude some people. I want to commend our friend, Rugby, who while he also continues to harbor some animosity toward Malcolm Jenkins, also has confessed on multiple occasions that he has a character flaw which prohibits him from from abandoning a grudge. :D

The point I was trying to achieve with iceshack was to get the same from him on why if Brees and his teammates are able to forgive and forget and move on, what is the hurdle keeping him from doing the same, especially since the event has nothing personally to do with himself.

Boston Saint 12-06-2020 02:33 PM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 905766)
Apparently the concept of rhetorical questions allude some people. I want to commend our friend, Rugby, who while he also continues to harbor some animosity toward Malcolm Jenkins, also has confessed on multiple occasions that he has a character flaw which prohibits him from from abandoning a grudge. :D

The point I was trying to achieve with iceshack was to get the same from him on why if Brees and his teammates are able to forgive and forget and move on, what is the hurdle keeping him from doing the same, especially since the event has nothing personally to do with himself.

Ok. But why is it so important for you to get something from iceshack? Do you need him to agree with you ?

saintsfan1976 12-06-2020 03:18 PM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 905766)
Apparently the concept of rhetorical questions allude some people. I want to commend our friend, Rugby, who while he also continues to harbor some animosity toward Malcolm Jenkins, also has confessed on multiple occasions that he has a character flaw which prohibits him from from abandoning a grudge. :D

The point I was trying to achieve with iceshack was to get the same from him on why if Brees and his teammates are able to forgive and forget and move on, what is the hurdle keeping him from doing the same, especially since the event has nothing personally to do with himself.

You're assuming they have.

gumbeau 12-06-2020 03:21 PM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 905766)
Apparently the concept of rhetorical questions allude some people.

In your attempt to use multisyllabic words, the purpose of the dictionary apparently eluded you.

AsylumGuido 12-06-2020 03:22 PM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins
 
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 906216)
You're assuming they have.

They have all stated as such. What reason do they all have to lie?

:confused:

rezburna 12-06-2020 03:22 PM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins
 
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 906216)
You're assuming they have.

Judging by that shirt Brees had on during warm ups he’s acquiesced. I think it’s over. I have to agree with Guido, the fans are the only ones still talking about it, specifically the fans who disagreed with Jenkins and Thomas.

saintsfan1976 12-06-2020 03:23 PM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 906227)
They have all stated as such. What reason do they all have to lie?

:confused:

Would you expect them to state anything to the contrary and jeopardize an entire season?

AsylumGuido 12-06-2020 03:25 PM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins
 
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 906232)
Would you expect them to state anything to the contrary and jeopardize an entire season?

:roflmao:

So you say they get on the same page to hide fact that they aren't on the same page to imply they are on the same page.

Try again ...

:rofl:

rezburna 12-06-2020 03:25 PM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins
 
Anytime Jenkins comes up on this forum it’s prefaced with the reasons people don’t like him. At this point it isn’t football related because he’s looked from average to great since Week 4.

AsylumGuido 12-06-2020 03:26 PM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 906237)
Anytime Jenkins comes up on this forum it’s prefaced with the reasons people don’t like him. At this point it isn’t football related because he’s looked from average to great since Week 4.

Amen.

saintsfan1976 12-06-2020 03:27 PM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 906229)
Judging by that shirt Brees had on during warm ups he’s acquiesced. I think it’s over. I have to agree with Guido, the fans are the only ones still talking about it, specifically the fans who disagreed with Jenkins and Thomas.

The shirt was a team decision, no? And considering the mobilization against Brees and his family, he had no choice but to acquiesce...

rezburna 12-06-2020 03:28 PM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins
 
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 906246)
The shirt was a team decision, no? And considering the mobilization against Brees and his family, he had no choice but to acquiesce...

He’s Drew Brees. He definitely has a choice.

saintsfan1976 12-06-2020 03:28 PM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 906236)
:roflmao:

So you say they get on the same page to hide fact that they aren't on the same page to imply they are on the same page.

Try again ...

:rofl:

Moving past feelings to focus on a common objective is business. What Brees was subjected to was personal.

Roll on the floor all you want.

saintsfan1976 12-06-2020 03:30 PM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 906249)
He’s Drew Brees. He definitely has a choice.

Not if he wanted to survive a season of onslaught from players, politicians and media.

rezburna 12-06-2020 03:31 PM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins
 
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 906254)
Not if he wanted to survive a season of onslaught from players, politicians and media.

FOX News and President Trump would have had his back. People, politicians, and media aren’t exclusively Liberal.

saintsfan1976 12-06-2020 03:32 PM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 906237)
Anytime Jenkins comes up on this forum it’s prefaced with the reasons people don’t like him. At this point it isn’t football related because he’s looked from average to great since Week 4.

I didn't bring him up but I do agree he's playing to the level we'd all hoped he would. Personally I think the work Jenkins does off the field is important and I'm glad he does it.

AsylumGuido 12-06-2020 03:33 PM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins
 
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 906262)
I didn't bring him up but I do agree he's playing to the level we'd all hoped he would. Personally I think the work Jenkins does off the field is important and I'm glad he does it.

As should we all.

rezburna 12-06-2020 03:33 PM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins
 
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 906262)
I didn't bring him up but I do agree he's playing to the level we'd all hoped he would. Personally I think the work Jenkins does off the field is important and I'm glad he does it.

The statement wasn’t directed at you specifically, just a general observation. That’s why this thread grew legs.

saintsfan1976 12-06-2020 03:34 PM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 906260)
FOX News and President Trump would have had his back. People, politicians, and media isn’t exclusively liberal.

Didn't say they were. Didn't name any people or outlets. Those who agree with Brees aren't exclusively Conservative either, Rez.

AsylumGuido 12-06-2020 03:34 PM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins
 
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 906251)
Moving past feelings to focus on a common objective is business. What Brees was subjected to was personal.

Roll on the floor all you want.

You are so right. Moving past feelings are important. Some people however do not feel it is at all possible. That's what is so humorous.

rezburna 12-06-2020 03:35 PM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins
 
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 906267)
Didn't say they were. Didn't name any people or outlets. Those who agree with Brees aren't exclusively Conservative either, Rez.

That’s true. That would mean even more people would have his back then one would expect.

We’re 10-2 and winning games with a back up QB again. Defense is playing well too. Yet, here we are talking about something that happened before the season that the media isn’t even bringing up anymore.

It’s the “fans”.

saintsfan1976 12-06-2020 03:37 PM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 906266)
The statement wasn’t directed at you specifically, just a general observation. That’s why this thread grew legs.

Like Brees, Jenkins also has a choice. He chose to amplify Brees's comments and (in my opinion) make them seem other than what many thought they were and I'm sure what Brees intended them to be.

rezburna 12-06-2020 03:40 PM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins
 
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 906273)
Like Brees, Jenkins also has a choice. He chose to amplify Brees's comments and (in my opinion) make them seem other than what many thought they were and I'm sure what Brees intended them to be.

That’s between them. Ain’t my business. Getting in other people’s beef can land you in a funeral home or a prison cell where I grew up. If they say it’s dead then it’s dead.

AsylumGuido 12-06-2020 03:40 PM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 906270)
That’s true. That would mean even more people would have his back then one would expect.

We’re 10-2 and winning games with a back up QB again. Defense is playing well too. Yet, here we are talking about something that happened before the season that the media isn’t even bringing up anymore.

It’s the “fans”.

Amen, again, brother!

AsylumGuido 12-06-2020 03:41 PM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 906277)
That’s between them. Ain’t my business. Getting in other people’s beef can land you in a funeral home or a prison cell where I grew up. If they say it’s dead then it’s dead.

It really isn't anybody's business but theirs. Why is that so hard to understand. Seems pretty basic.

rezburna 12-06-2020 03:42 PM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 906282)
It really isn't anybody's business but theirs. Why is that so hard to understand. Seems pretty basic.

A lot of it really comes across as instigating, and people who instigate fights got beat up too. People who instigated beef got shot too. It’s a dead horse.

saintsfan1976 12-06-2020 03:42 PM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 906270)
That’s true. That would mean even more people would have his back then one would expect.

We’re 10-2 and winning games with a back up QB again. Defense is playing well too. Yet, here we are talking about something that happened before the season that the media isn’t even bringing up anymore.

It’s the “fans”.


I'm happy all that is true. Because a few more losses and we'd probably be pointing to that pre-season issue as the reason the team totted from the inside.

And who cares what the media brings up? "Air yards". Nuff said.

rezburna 12-06-2020 03:44 PM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins
 
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 906284)
I'm happy all that is true. Because a few more losses and we'd probably be pointing to that pre-season issue as the reason the team totted from the inside.

And who cares what the media brings up? "Air yards". Nuff said.

I mean you just told me Brees folded to media pressure. You weren’t wrong to state the media has influence. The media tells plenty of people what to think. Most just pretend they’re immune.

saintsfan1976 12-06-2020 03:45 PM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 906287)
I mean you just told me Brees folded to media pressure. You weren’t wrong to state the media has influence. The media tells plenty of people what to think. Most just pretend they’re immune.

You're right I should clarify - "I" don't care what the media says. But I don't have to face them in a locker room every day.

saintsfan1976 12-06-2020 03:48 PM

Re: Malcolm Jenkins
 
Debating isn't instigating. It shouldn't warrant being shot. People who disagree shouldn't be labeled "racists" or "nazis". Those are all ways small-minded people react.


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