Malcolm Jenkins
 

Who's ready for a lively debate?

I wasn't thrilled when the Saints didn't sign Bell and signed Jenkins because I felt like Jenkins might give the Saints an average year or two of play. I think that most of us thought that Bell would be a better option that would play for the Saints for many years.

The Whodat Confessional guys assume that when Patrick Robinson balled out a few games ago Jenkins must've been a big reason why since Robinson hadn't really played great until recently. And none of us can argue that this defense is really stepping up (although the teams they've played lately aren't at the top of the league.)

For me, I still hate the contrived situation created by the talking heads that a few players ate up and then turned on Drew but the Jenkins signing might actually be working for the Saints. I hope we see a new angry Drew when he comes back and this team runs the table because in the games he's started so far he looks aloof and I blame Jenkins for that.

Re: Malcolm Jenkins
 

They figured out how to use him.

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Well...for me (and I know this is just my opinion), a players play doesn't erase what they do. I'm not a MJ fan. Haven't been for years. And if we sign a guy that's coming in and needs a 2nd chance, I can deal. But Jenkin's attitude and that whole Brees thing really pissed me off.

I'm sure I'm on a lonely island here, but it's the same reason why I wouldn't want a guy like OBJ. They may be talented, but they're douchebags. And I'd rather not have them. Just my opinion.

I'd rather cheer for an up and coming guy or a guy that works his ass off. Leave the drama and ****ty attitudes out of it. I question what MJs attitude would be if we were 2-9, not 9-2.

But he's a Saint. So I'll cheer for the defense and be happy if he makes a play. He's just not my kind of player. I guess at 42 years old, I'm just a little more about team players.

But I respect other people's opinions.

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I agree with all that. I don't like the guy and he and a few other players on the team really did Brees dirty with their comments.
I'm just thinking that he's actually helping the defense play better.

Re: Malcolm Jenkins
 

He has been helping the defense lately.

However in terms of personality and as a player, I still preferred Vonn Bell.

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I don’t agree with any of it. But I wear my mask in public too. Maybe there’s something wrong with me.

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Not sure I remember any standout plays he’s made all season. Early on he and CJGJ were the reason our defense was losing games (penalties and blown assignments), but they cleaned those issues up. CJGJ is becoming a great player, Jenkins has been average.

I preferred Bell, he made more impact plays.

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I want to see mr no it all MJ leadership play into Sunday’s game. See if he can wake up a team that could go in sleep walking.


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Cmon Mike. Nothing wrong with having a different opinion. Or wearing or not wearing a mask for that matter. Lol.

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Well, depending on how far you want to go down the rabbit hole, there are many variables to consider about the impact. Think about this...In a way you can compare it to the drafting of Reggie Bush.

I’ve always felt the Saints don’t win the Super Bowl without him...and it’s not because of his talent. Coming from a southern CA school, Heisman, dating a Kardashian etc. all gave the national media a reason to pay attention and pull for the Saints. He was impactful because of the social times.

Now think about that angel from Signing Jenkins. Could his signing not be looked at the same way ? Just a thought here because you wanted a lively debate.

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MJ is finally getting into a rhythm and playing faster. Kwon alexander came in about the time the whole defense took it to the next level. When he makes a good play I'm excited but the rest of the time he is a disappointment to me for both his poor play and disrespecting Drew like he did.

Edit: I have a tendency to hold a grudge against douche bags!

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It's a good thing that Brees is above that pettiness.

:D ;)

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Not that Dew has ever ever been about the money, but for twenty plus million dollars, I could but up with a pretty big douchebag for one year! 🤣

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I didn't necessarily want to focus on the stupidity of Malcolm Jenkins' comments in this thread but what he and other players did to Brees is way beyond petty.

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I have had people piss me off over more than that and yet forgave and still remained friends. If I, who many some here consider to be flawed, can forgive and forget then why could not Brees? Petty is just that ... petty.

If you cannot get over petty then the problem is yours, not there's.

Think on that a bit.

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Okay, I thought about it and it's stupid.

Brees' teammates (not just coworkers...guys that hit and are hit for each other as a team) sold him out through social media rather than have a discussion with the man himself. They announced to thousands, if not millions, that Brees is an ignorant racist.

After all Brees did for the Saints and the whole region you consider this to be petty?

Okay.

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Yes, petty. You take it as an assault on you. Brees doesn't give a flying **** because he knows it is meaningless in the greater scheme of things. You hang onto it because you are petty. Grow up. You are like a spoiled child.

If he doesn't care why should you? Maybe because you are a screaming racist yourself? How dare those darkies dis a white man? Is that it?

If not explain why it is so important to you.

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Ice, I liked your comment because you stated why Malcolm and others were so hurt. Malcolm shed tears, real tears because he was hurt. He wasn’t faking it when he sat in front of that camera crying. He made those comments because he had love and still does have love for Drew. Drew’s not just some other guy. Malcolm was just thrown back because he couldn’t understand why a guy he considered a brother and a friend would make insensitive comments regarding the topic. And Drew didn’t have to make any statements or apologies. But he did because at that moment Drew realized that people like Jenkins were speaking out for the injustices of HUMAN beings.
The one thing I can’t understand is why others can’t come around like Drew.
Come on guys, we’re talking about human beings here and not some dead animal on side of the road.

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Perhaps because some people are unable to see others as human beings and perhaps as something less?

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I figured that this conversation might head south but calling me a racist is absurd. I expect it from you, though.

Come on, Guido. Have a discussion without calling people these awful names for disagreeing with you. You are the poster that says you don't take anything personally and yet you end up being ugly in almost every thread.

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Wow, honestly....

You said in another thread that if people block you for having a simple debate then that's their problem.

But someone sees something different to you and you degenerate to name calling and accusations of racism?

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Where did I call you a racist? I simply asked if that was a possibility. I then asked you to give you explanation for your interpretation if that wasn't the case. Step back and read.

I'm still waiting for your answer. Why does it upset you so if it doesn't Brees?

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He implied that Malcolm called Brees a racist. I don't see that. Jenkins simply said that that Brees did not understand the reason behind the protests and that hurt him as a friend. At no point do I remember Jenkins or any other teammate calling Brees a racist. They were hurt because they felt Brees did not understand that the protest wasn't degrading the flag or the military, but just drawing attention to something that needed attention.

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You knew the thread would head south but you posted it anyway. Why was that? The team has put it behind them and have managed to win eight games in a row and gaining the best record in the NFC while missing important pieces along the way.

Why did you feel it was so important to post a thread that was expected to go south as you put it? What was your thought process?

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Some of Brees’ teammates seemed to make it clear that his feelings about the flag and what it meant to him were less important than their feelings. Also implied he was ignorant and “didn’t know no better” because he did not support their actions; as if nobody who disagreed with them could possibly have an informed view. That doesn’t seem right to me.

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And at any point to your recollection did any of them ever claim that "Brees is an ignorant racist"? Asking you as a third party here, Boston, to the debate.

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Ignorant, yes. I don’t remember teammates calling him racist, no. One could say it was implied. But again, his initial statements were about his feelings and he was scorned for expressing them. Is he not allowed those ?

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Of course he is, as was those in their responses. In private they all met and discussed it all and it was resolved to their mutual satisfaction. They all moved on to what is becoming a very successful season.

Yet some seem to stay fixated for some reason. If it mean nothing to those directly involved then why should it remain so disturbing to others? Perplexing, no?

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I guess I don’t see where anyone in the thread here expressed anything to say they weren’t over the situation. It’s just talk to fill up time between Saints games. And going back to the initial statements, sure Many players( Brees included) expressed their opinions, but Brees was the only one that was ridiculed for his and pressured by public opinion to apologize for the way he feels about his grandparents service. Let that sink in. He had to apologize for expressing his pride And feelings for what his grandparents did. Surely you can see where some fans felt put off by that- especially those who feel similarly as he does.

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:rolleyes:

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Several members here have expressed that they are not "over the situation" and anytime Jenkins' name comes up they make it a point to express that lingering feeling. And as I pointed out, Brees and his teammates discussed it all in private and moved on. Any lingering feelings are an issue with others, not Brees and his teammates. I wish they could leave it be as well and let us all just enjoy this season for what it is.

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Those were rhetorical questions. I immediately followed with what was your real reasoning intimating that I was expecting something more. Sorry that you didn't catch that.

Well? I am still waiting.

"If not explain why it is so important to you."

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So, in a way, you can’t let it go that they can’t let it go. 😆

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Yup. You nailed it. I am man enough to admit that. My reason is that I believe that people can say things that may hurt others, but that but those individuals can forgive and move on and still be friends. Is that so unreasonable? It's somewhat of a Catch 22, no?

Re: Malcolm Jenkins
 

Not unreasonable at all.

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You mentioned before it was a dysfunctional family, or something like that here. We all gotta get along.

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Would you be alright with another viewpoint on this? I don’t want to beat a dead horse or stir the pot if you aren’t. I agree with most of what you said.

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MJ has looked good the last several weeks. Much better and more impactful than Von Bell. Slower? Of course...but he’s smarter. I’ve seen several plays from him that don’t show up on the stat sheet. Put him near the line of scrimmage and watch him drop back into zone. Those drags that used to kill us are getting shut down by him allowing the pass rush to get there.

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I agree Rez. MJ has helped stabilize things with his experience and I think they are getting enough pash rush from the front that there aren’t a lot of open guys for other QBs to throw to. What may be the downfall is the long, Hail Mary type passes like Rogers and Wilson love to throw. Big throws have killed over the last few seasons.