Smart Play by Calvin Ridley

SmashMouth · 12-09-2020, 11:24 AM

Matty Ice ain't the problem dere. I'd be willing to wager he'd flourish under a SP tutelage.

AsylumGuido · 12-09-2020, 12:04 PM

There isn't a single player or coach that gives a flying rats ass about the franchise getting a higher draft pick. They are only concerned with their own job. That is a fact. I have heard far too many coaches and players spell this out over the years. Only fans think in that manner and not all fans either. To me any win is worth more than some draft slot. I HATE losing with a passion.

saintsfan1976 · 12-09-2020, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

There isn't a single player or coach that gives a flying rats ass about the franchise getting a higher draft pick. They are only concerned with their own job. That is a fact. I have heard far too many coaches and players spell this out over the years. Only fans think in that manner and not all fans either. To me any win is worth more than some draft slot. I HATE losing with a passion.

Agreed. His actions are reflect poor leadership from the franchise more than anything.

stickman · 12-09-2020, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Matty Ice ain't the problem dere. I'd be willing to wager he'd flourish under a SP tutelage.

Don't know if I want to see him in a Saints jersey, but he would do well somewhere else. I heard a rumor of him going to the 49ers. With the talent there, he could flourish. Entirely different organization.

AsylumGuido · 12-09-2020, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by stickman

Don't know if I want to see him in a Saints jersey, but he would do well somewhere else. I heard a rumor of him going to the 49ers. With the talent there, he could flourish. Entirely different organization.

I pointed this out in another thread. Atlanta is stuck with Matt Ryan at least through the 2022 season because of his recent contract. He would cost the Falcons around $50 million in dead money if they cut or trade him next season. They would still take around a $25 million cap hit if they waited until 2022. He'd still cost them about $8 million in dead money in 2023, but that's the first year it would even be feasible.

We get the pleasure of facing Ryan as a Failclown at least four more times.

The Dude · 12-09-2020, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by stickman

Don't know if I want to see him in a Saints jersey, but he would do well somewhere else. I heard a rumor of him going to the 49ers. With the talent there, he could flourish. Entirely different organization.

I’d rather have him than Winston.

BakoSaint · 12-09-2020, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Matty Ice ain't the problem dere. I'd be willing to wager he'd flourish under a SP tutelage.

If this ever happens, I will gladly wager against you. I think it is completely illogical how our society openly accepts the concept that certain players are 'good under pressure' and 'come up big in the when it counts' but just assumes the rest of players are just normal and that there is not a subset of players who perform very poorly under pressure. Performing worse under pressure is probably more common and for every Mr. October and Tom Brady there are probably 2-3 Matt Ryan's. Having a QB who performs great under low pressure and terrible when expectations build or the game and moment are critical is worse than having no QB like the Broncos. You don't get the draft picks nor do you have a chance to win it all. Your fans are trolled with false hopes over and over and over. I would take a $50 million hit to get rid of Matt Ryan. No team should lose on purpose but no team should stick with a player who is clearly not the answer. If Atlanta was smart they would trade Ryan while there is a market and take the $50 million hit. $25 million hit the following year is a no brainer, much better to pay a player you can't rely on in the playoffs to not play for you than to pay them the same to play for you. He is not a bad guy, he doesn't lack talent, its just that he is uncomfortable performing under pressure or expectations that will always happen before a season can culminate in a championship. If he loses in the first round of the playoffs enough years in a row he may get to a super bowl again due to lowering expectations, but if he gets to a super bowl again it will elevate expectations, and he will choke again. No reason to pay for that doom. There are other QBs who can put up decent numbers with two pro bowl receivers and don't have that flaw.

AsylumGuido · 12-09-2020, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

If this ever happens, I will gladly wager against you. I think it is completely illogical how our society openly accepts the concept that certain players are 'good under pressure' and 'come up big in the when it counts' but just assumes the rest of players are just normal and that there is not a subset of players who perform very poorly under pressure. Performing worse under pressure is probably more common and for every Mr. October and Tom Brady there are probably 2-3 Matt Ryan's. Having a QB who performs great under low pressure and terrible when expectations build or the game and moment are critical is worse than having no QB like the Broncos. You don't get the draft picks nor do you have a chance to win it all. Your fans are trolled with false hopes over and over and over. I would take a $50 million hit to get rid of Matt Ryan. No team should lose on purpose but no team should stick with a player who is clearly not the answer. If Atlanta was smart they would trade Ryan while there is a market and take the $50 million hit. $25 million hit the following year is a no brainer, much better to pay a player you can't rely on in the playoffs to not play for you than to pay them the same to play for you. He is not a bad guy, he doesn't lack talent, its just that he is uncomfortable performing under pressure or expectations that will always happen before a season can culminate in a championship. If he loses in the first round of the playoffs enough years in a row he may get to a super bowl again due to lowering expectations, but if he gets to a super bowl again it will elevate expectations, and he will choke again. No reason to pay for that doom. There are other QBs who can put up decent numbers with two pro bowl receivers and don't have that flaw.

You obviously don't get it. The Falcons cannot cut ties with Ryan with the current cap structure. The cap hits would put them WAY over the cap and the league would not allow the moves. It was a toxic contract, but they want Ryan so he remains. There is no option on their moving on from him until 2023 at the very earliest.

Euphoria · 12-09-2020, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

You obviously don't get it. The Falcons cannot cut ties with Ryan with the current cap structure. The cap hits would put them WAY over the cap and the league would not allow the moves. It was a toxic contract, but they want Ryan so he remains. There is no option on their moving on from him until 2023 at the very earliest.

Guido - on point.

Yeah I don't think he is the problem at all. Over the years they have issues with the D or the line or this or that never gets it all together but what ATL doesn't have is a QB problem.

If anything else they have a Saints problem who owns them

BakoSaint · 12-09-2020, 06:15 PM

In Matt Ryan's playoff career he has had a Cardinal problem, a Packer Problem, a Giant problem, a 49er problem, a Patriot problem, and an Eagle problem.

Matt Ryan's second half performances in his playoff losses are insane. His offenses have been shut out in the second half of his last 4 playoff losses. His last 3 they led at the half and collapsed. He has been shut out in the 3rd quarter of all 6 playoff losses. His last second half playoff score in those 6 losses was a pass to Roddy White in 2011. Excluding two passes to Roddy White, Matt Ryan's offenses have never scored in the second half of his playoff finales. His split of 1st Half vs 2nd Half scoring in his playoff losses is 95-14. There have been different coaches, receivers, oline, dline, the common factor is Matt Ryan. He chokes. He is the core problem. His proponents can't get past his regular season performances and look at what is stopping him in the playoffs.

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Guido - on point.

Yeah I don't think he is the problem at all. Over the years they have issues with the D or the line or this or that never gets it all together but what ATL doesn't have is a QB problem.

If anything else they have a Saints problem who owns them

12-09-2020, 11:24 AM	#1
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,479 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Smart Play by Calvin Ridley Matty Ice ain't the problem dere. I'd be willing to wager he'd flourish under a SP tutelage.

12-09-2020, 12:04 PM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,484	Re: Smart Play by Calvin Ridley There isn't a single player or coach that gives a flying rats ass about the franchise getting a higher draft pick. They are only concerned with their own job. That is a fact. I have heard far too many coaches and players spell this out over the years. Only fans think in that manner and not all fans either. To me any win is worth more than some draft slot. I HATE losing with a passion. Euphoria, leilung, saintsfan1976 and 3 others like this.

12-09-2020, 05:36 PM	#3
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,972 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Smart Play by Calvin Ridley Originally Posted by AsylumGuido There isn't a single player or coach that gives a flying rats ass about the franchise getting a higher draft pick. They are only concerned with their own job. That is a fact. I have heard far too many coaches and players spell this out over the years. Only fans think in that manner and not all fans either. To me any win is worth more than some draft slot. I HATE losing with a passion. Agreed. His actions are reflect poor leadership from the franchise more than anything.

12-09-2020, 12:12 PM	#4
stickman 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Gonzales, LA Posts: 1,754	Re: Smart Play by Calvin Ridley Originally Posted by SmashMouth Matty Ice ain't the problem dere. I'd be willing to wager he'd flourish under a SP tutelage. Don't know if I want to see him in a Saints jersey, but he would do well somewhere else. I heard a rumor of him going to the 49ers. With the talent there, he could flourish. Entirely different organization.

12-09-2020, 12:18 PM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,484	Re: Smart Play by Calvin Ridley Originally Posted by stickman Don't know if I want to see him in a Saints jersey, but he would do well somewhere else. I heard a rumor of him going to the 49ers. With the talent there, he could flourish. Entirely different organization. I pointed this out in another thread. Atlanta is stuck with Matt Ryan at least through the 2022 season because of his recent contract. He would cost the Falcons around $50 million in dead money if they cut or trade him next season. They would still take around a $25 million cap hit if they waited until 2022. He'd still cost them about $8 million in dead money in 2023, but that's the first year it would even be feasible. We get the pleasure of facing Ryan as a Failclown at least four more times.

12-09-2020, 05:36 PM	#6
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Re: Smart Play by Calvin Ridley Originally Posted by stickman Don't know if I want to see him in a Saints jersey, but he would do well somewhere else. I heard a rumor of him going to the 49ers. With the talent there, he could flourish. Entirely different organization. I’d rather have him than Winston. Thirty3 likes this.
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12-09-2020, 02:41 PM	#7
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,305	Re: Smart Play by Calvin Ridley Originally Posted by SmashMouth Matty Ice ain't the problem dere. I'd be willing to wager he'd flourish under a SP tutelage. If this ever happens, I will gladly wager against you. I think it is completely illogical how our society openly accepts the concept that certain players are 'good under pressure' and 'come up big in the when it counts' but just assumes the rest of players are just normal and that there is not a subset of players who perform very poorly under pressure. Performing worse under pressure is probably more common and for every Mr. October and Tom Brady there are probably 2-3 Matt Ryan's. Having a QB who performs great under low pressure and terrible when expectations build or the game and moment are critical is worse than having no QB like the Broncos. You don't get the draft picks nor do you have a chance to win it all. Your fans are trolled with false hopes over and over and over. I would take a $50 million hit to get rid of Matt Ryan. No team should lose on purpose but no team should stick with a player who is clearly not the answer. If Atlanta was smart they would trade Ryan while there is a market and take the $50 million hit. $25 million hit the following year is a no brainer, much better to pay a player you can't rely on in the playoffs to not play for you than to pay them the same to play for you. He is not a bad guy, he doesn't lack talent, its just that he is uncomfortable performing under pressure or expectations that will always happen before a season can culminate in a championship. If he loses in the first round of the playoffs enough years in a row he may get to a super bowl again due to lowering expectations, but if he gets to a super bowl again it will elevate expectations, and he will choke again. No reason to pay for that doom. There are other QBs who can put up decent numbers with two pro bowl receivers and don't have that flaw.
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12-09-2020, 03:08 PM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,484	Re: Smart Play by Calvin Ridley Originally Posted by BakoSaint If this ever happens, I will gladly wager against you. I think it is completely illogical how our society openly accepts the concept that certain players are 'good under pressure' and 'come up big in the when it counts' but just assumes the rest of players are just normal and that there is not a subset of players who perform very poorly under pressure. Performing worse under pressure is probably more common and for every Mr. October and Tom Brady there are probably 2-3 Matt Ryan's. Having a QB who performs great under low pressure and terrible when expectations build or the game and moment are critical is worse than having no QB like the Broncos. You don't get the draft picks nor do you have a chance to win it all. Your fans are trolled with false hopes over and over and over. I would take a $50 million hit to get rid of Matt Ryan. No team should lose on purpose but no team should stick with a player who is clearly not the answer. If Atlanta was smart they would trade Ryan while there is a market and take the $50 million hit. $25 million hit the following year is a no brainer, much better to pay a player you can't rely on in the playoffs to not play for you than to pay them the same to play for you. He is not a bad guy, he doesn't lack talent, its just that he is uncomfortable performing under pressure or expectations that will always happen before a season can culminate in a championship. If he loses in the first round of the playoffs enough years in a row he may get to a super bowl again due to lowering expectations, but if he gets to a super bowl again it will elevate expectations, and he will choke again. No reason to pay for that doom. There are other QBs who can put up decent numbers with two pro bowl receivers and don't have that flaw. You obviously don't get it. The Falcons cannot cut ties with Ryan with the current cap structure. The cap hits would put them WAY over the cap and the league would not allow the moves. It was a toxic contract, but they want Ryan so he remains. There is no option on their moving on from him until 2023 at the very earliest.

12-09-2020, 05:42 PM	#9
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Smart Play by Calvin Ridley Originally Posted by AsylumGuido You obviously don't get it. The Falcons cannot cut ties with Ryan with the current cap structure. The cap hits would put them WAY over the cap and the league would not allow the moves. It was a toxic contract, but they want Ryan so he remains. There is no option on their moving on from him until 2023 at the very earliest. Guido - on point. Yeah I don't think he is the problem at all. Over the years they have issues with the D or the line or this or that never gets it all together but what ATL doesn't have is a QB problem. If anything else they have a Saints problem who owns them SmashMouth likes this.

12-09-2020, 06:15 PM	#10
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,305	Re: Smart Play by Calvin Ridley In Matt Ryan's playoff career he has had a Cardinal problem, a Packer Problem, a Giant problem, a 49er problem, a Patriot problem, and an Eagle problem. Matt Ryan's second half performances in his playoff losses are insane. His offenses have been shut out in the second half of his last 4 playoff losses. His last 3 they led at the half and collapsed. He has been shut out in the 3rd quarter of all 6 playoff losses. His last second half playoff score in those 6 losses was a pass to Roddy White in 2011. Excluding two passes to Roddy White, Matt Ryan's offenses have never scored in the second half of his playoff finales. His split of 1st Half vs 2nd Half scoring in his playoff losses is 95-14. There have been different coaches, receivers, oline, dline, the common factor is Matt Ryan. He chokes. He is the core problem. His proponents can't get past his regular season performances and look at what is stopping him in the playoffs. Originally Posted by Euphoria Guido - on point. Yeah I don't think he is the problem at all. Over the years they have issues with the D or the line or this or that never gets it all together but what ATL doesn't have is a QB problem. If anything else they have a Saints problem who owns them Boston Saint likes this.
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