Sean Payton: Jameis Winston will have opportunity to win starting job post-Drew Brees

jnormand · 12-20-2020, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

I disagree. This is a horrible take. You might need to get banned...

Oh no. Ice is arguing with himself again. I might have to block one of your personalities.

Boston Saint · 12-17-2020, 01:21 PM

I’m not disagreeing with you saintsfan. But, Why do you think that is true about Winston? He is Still young. Former no 1 pick. Threw for 5000 yards. Never had a season with more Ints than TDs. Convince me why Winston can’t be successful .

Lord_Saint83 · 12-17-2020, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I’m not disagreeing with you saintsfan. But, Why do you think that is true about Winston? He is Still young. Former no 1 pick. Threw for 5000 yards. Never had a season with more Ints than TDs. Convince me why Winston can’t be successful .

Jameis had a different coordinator damn near every year, no qb will be consistent or grow with that many changes in philosophy. And yea he threw over 30 ints last year but a lot of that goes on arians. Every qb from rapistberger, to luck, and even Brady to name a few all had career high ints with Arians in his first year. I don’t know why some hate the kid so much. In one full year under Payton I’d bet my paycheck he’d be a pro bowler. Not as good as Drew in his prime but really solid.

jeanpierre · 12-17-2020, 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83

Jameis had a different coordinator damn near every year, no qb will be consistent or grow with that many changes in philosophy. And yea he threw over 30 ints last year but a lot of that goes on arians. Every qb from rapistberger, to luck, and even Brady to name a few all had career high ints with Arians in his first year. I don’t know why some hate the kid so much. In one full year under Payton I’d bet my paycheck he’d be a pro bowler. Not as good as Drew in his prime but really solid.

While it's fair pointing out that Jameis has had multiple coaching turnovers, am reluctant to heap praise for numbers he's had because most of it was in garbage time, after he'd thrown the Bucs out of games...

Boston Saint · 12-17-2020, 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

While it's fair pointing out that Jameis has had multiple coaching turnovers, am reluctant to heap praise for numbers he's had because most of it was in garbage time, after he'd thrown the Bucs out of games...

You may be right JP. But I don’t think a QB throws for 5000 yards just in “garbage time”.

jeanpierre · 12-17-2020, 11:03 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

You may be right JP. But I don’t think a QB throws for 5000 yards just in “garbage time”.

If you go back and look at his numbers, nearly 60% of his numbers were with the Bucs down two scores...

Was able to chart this before on ProFootballReference.com; but they changed their format and they expired my subscription and moved those services to stathead which costs more than I want to spend right now...

Of note, Winston also set a new NFL-record high for pick-sixes in a season with seven...

TheOak · 12-18-2020, 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83

Jameis had a different coordinator damn near every year, no qb will be consistent or grow with that many changes in philosophy. And yea he threw over 30 ints last year but a lot of that goes on arians. Every qb from rapistberger, to luck, and even Brady to name a few all had career high ints with Arians in his first year. I don’t know why some hate the kid so much. In one full year under Payton I’d bet my paycheck he’d be a pro bowler. Not as good as Drew in his prime but really solid.

Someone is trying to correlate and ignoring causation. Rookies throw Interceptions, Payton Manning threw 28 his rookie year. Coaches do not make QBs throw interceptions especially 5 year veteran QBs.

Interceptions are bad decisions or tipped throws. If a 5 year professional QB allowed his coach to make him throw INTs id say that’s evidence of further bad decisions.

QBREES9 · 12-20-2020, 08:24 AM

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12-20-2020, 10:00 AM	#1
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,781	Re: Sean Payton: Jameis Winston will have opportunity to win starting job post-Drew Brees Originally Posted by iceshack149 I disagree. This is a horrible take. You might need to get banned... Oh no. Ice is arguing with himself again. I might have to block one of your personalities. jeanpierre, gosaints1 and K Major like this.

12-17-2020, 01:21 PM	#2
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Sean Payton: Jameis Winston will have opportunity to win starting job post-Drew Brees I’m not disagreeing with you saintsfan. But, Why do you think that is true about Winston? He is Still young. Former no 1 pick. Threw for 5000 yards. Never had a season with more Ints than TDs. Convince me why Winston can’t be successful . Sainters7 likes this.

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Lord_Saint83 100% Blunt Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Saint Gabriel, La Posts: 2,754	Re: Sean Payton: Jameis Winston will have opportunity to win starting job post-Drew Brees Originally Posted by Boston Saint I’m not disagreeing with you saintsfan. But, Why do you think that is true about Winston? He is Still young. Former no 1 pick. Threw for 5000 yards. Never had a season with more Ints than TDs. Convince me why Winston can’t be successful . Jameis had a different coordinator damn near every year, no qb will be consistent or grow with that many changes in philosophy. And yea he threw over 30 ints last year but a lot of that goes on arians. Every qb from rapistberger, to luck, and even Brady to name a few all had career high ints with Arians in his first year. I don’t know why some hate the kid so much. In one full year under Payton I’d bet my paycheck he’d be a pro bowler. Not as good as Drew in his prime but really solid. shawnkytonk and Boston Saint like this.
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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Sean Payton: Jameis Winston will have opportunity to win starting job post-Drew Brees Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83 Jameis had a different coordinator damn near every year, no qb will be consistent or grow with that many changes in philosophy. And yea he threw over 30 ints last year but a lot of that goes on arians. Every qb from rapistberger, to luck, and even Brady to name a few all had career high ints with Arians in his first year. I don’t know why some hate the kid so much. In one full year under Payton I’d bet my paycheck he’d be a pro bowler. Not as good as Drew in his prime but really solid. While it's fair pointing out that Jameis has had multiple coaching turnovers, am reluctant to heap praise for numbers he's had because most of it was in garbage time, after he'd thrown the Bucs out of games...

12-17-2020, 10:09 PM	#5
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Sean Payton: Jameis Winston will have opportunity to win starting job post-Drew Brees Originally Posted by jeanpierre While it's fair pointing out that Jameis has had multiple coaching turnovers, am reluctant to heap praise for numbers he's had because most of it was in garbage time, after he'd thrown the Bucs out of games... You may be right JP. But I don’t think a QB throws for 5000 yards just in “garbage time”.

12-17-2020, 11:03 PM	#6
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Sean Payton: Jameis Winston will have opportunity to win starting job post-Drew Brees Originally Posted by Boston Saint You may be right JP. But I don’t think a QB throws for 5000 yards just in “garbage time”. If you go back and look at his numbers, nearly 60% of his numbers were with the Bucs down two scores... Was able to chart this before on ProFootballReference.com; but they changed their format and they expired my subscription and moved those services to stathead which costs more than I want to spend right now... Of note, Winston also set a new NFL-record high for pick-sixes in a season with seven...

12-18-2020, 08:54 AM	#7
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,055	Re: Sean Payton: Jameis Winston will have opportunity to win starting job post-Drew Brees Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83 Jameis had a different coordinator damn near every year, no qb will be consistent or grow with that many changes in philosophy. And yea he threw over 30 ints last year but a lot of that goes on arians. Every qb from rapistberger, to luck, and even Brady to name a few all had career high ints with Arians in his first year. I don’t know why some hate the kid so much. In one full year under Payton I’d bet my paycheck he’d be a pro bowler. Not as good as Drew in his prime but really solid. Someone is trying to correlate and ignoring causation. Rookies throw Interceptions, Payton Manning threw 28 his rookie year. Coaches do not make QBs throw interceptions especially 5 year veteran QBs. Interceptions are bad decisions or tipped throws. If a 5 year professional QB allowed his coach to make him throw INTs id say that’s evidence of further bad decisions.

12-20-2020, 08:24 AM	#8
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