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Only way to get rid of the rust was to play him. Rust doesn't some off completely in practice. Drew definitely started badly but he was back to form in the second half. Only goes up from here.

Re: Saints again start slow, sloppy with comeback falling short; here's what happened in Chiefs loss
 

It was necessary. Second straight game of horrible play calling though.

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That 2 min drill offense from Brees was surgical though.

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Re: Saints again start slow, sloppy with comeback falling short; here's what happened in Chiefs loss
 

Sloppy Sloppy Sloppy, Let's learn from this and move on to Christmas Day at 4:30.

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Bro yall crazy as hell if you think Taysom was going to perform better passing the ball against that defense. Taysom could barely make it work with the starters, He would have been better without Thomas or Trequan?...The Chiefs defense played well and our offense was depleted Drew best game? No worse game? No. This wasn't a Brees wtf are you doing game.

Saints fans are spoiled as hell. Big Brats when Drew doesn't play perfect. Anything less and his head is called for. Everyone had all this patience with Taysom who hasn't proven anything. Taysom lost to the then back up QB now starter in Jalen Hurts and the Eagles who aren't in the playoff hunt as of now. Drew back off injury loses to a former MVP and and reigning super bowl Champs and we should have started the other guy? Make it make sense Taysom literally CANT make some of throws and decisions Drew had to make. Humphries, Johnson, Lewis and Taysom? would have beat Mahomes and the Chiefs? OK 👌 lls

Re: Saints again start slow, sloppy with comeback falling short; here's what happened in Chiefs loss
 

Regular season doesn't matter, get in the playoffs and go undefeated is all I care about

Re: Saints again start slow, sloppy with comeback falling short; here's what happened in Chiefs loss
 

The offense started badly dropped passes missed blocking assignments, no separation, no trust. Holding the ball too long.

Re: Saints again start slow, sloppy with comeback falling short; here's what happened in Chiefs loss
 

I will never understand not calling more plays for Trautman. I really think they need to exploit defenses with him and cook.

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No Taysom Hill missed 4 tds against the eagles. Do yall watch the games? Or just nfl highlights?

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How rusty will MT be when he gets back? We’re just snake bit with wrs injuries , the injury report gonna be interesting.


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Re: Saints again start slow, sloppy with comeback falling short; here's what happened in Chiefs loss
 

Started badly? It ended just as badly also. 3rd down conversions plays for the Saints (chronological order):

1) 3rd & 5 Incomplete Short left
2) 3rd & 5 Int Short right
3) 3rd & 4 Incomplete Deep right
4) 3rd & 7 Sacked
5) 3rd & 10 COMPLETE Deep right
6) 3rd & 13 Incomplete Short right
7) 3rd & 2 Incomplete Short left
8) 3rd & 8 Incomplete Short middle
9) 3rd & 6 Incomplete Deep right and Intentional grounding penalty
10) 3rd & 5 Incomplete Short Right
11) 3rd & 2 Incomplete Deep right (Drive was continued by a successful 4th & 2 pass Deep middle immediately the play after, I felt it was important to note that.)

1 of 11, a sack, an int, intentional grounding, and one (1) successful conversion the entire game is not just “starting badly”. It’s much worse than that. What’s most unnerving to me is the only reason we were still in that game is bc of DB#9 taking deep shots. YaY! He CAN actually throw deeper than short right and left, so naturally his completion rate is down (below 50%) and it concerns him enough to say the following after the game:

“I took too many deep shots, I need to check down more”. Oi vey, Mr Brees, you’re completion percentage is COMPLETELY irrelevant, unimportant. Pass the heck out of the ball if the defense allows it. And my guess is every defense that faces him will “beg” him to beat them deep. A 44% completion rate with a Win in the column is ALWAYS better than an 78% completion rate and a Loss.

Oof. That comment was a gut shot to my confidence in the Saints as an offensive unit.

Sustaining drives is critical to controlling games. It was an abysmal failure offensively, in that respect. 6 of the 11 3rd down plays were short routes, five incompletes and one interception. KC took away the short routes! You can’t check it down when your high percentage is completely covered but you’ve got a chance over the top with a running free Sanders. Take the shot.

Drew Brees made some surprisingly good throws and then he says he needs to check it down more. This team is best when DB#9 is the most dangerous weapon on the field, and not a game manager. Much to my chagrin, he’s more commonly associated with the latter.

Again..., Ooof.

Bottom line, stats don’t win games..., playmakers do. Be a playmaker once again Mr. Brees. That guy I would fall on my sword for. Check Down Brees though? Not so much.

Re: Saints again start slow, sloppy with comeback falling short; here's what happened in Chiefs loss
 

Payton is an above average coach but when your two best offensive weapons don’t even combine for 20 carries a game something is wrong with your philosophy.

Throwing to open up the running game is great if your strengths are in the passing game, that’s exactly what Chiefs/Reid did to us.

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Different philosophies. imho, you take what the other team gives you. The “I’ma run the ball down your throat” mindset works sometimes, not always. Just ask Ditka and RW#34. Static approach to a fluid environment. If the middle of the field is there, eat it until you’re obese, or it’s taken away from you. Same for short, same for deep.

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Zimmer has shown he can effectively limit us offensively over the years. 6 man fronts with either Harris or Harrison in the box.

No team respects our replacement wide outs.

What's your game plan on Friday?

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Not real sure about respect paid, or not, lol, but I really like to see the over the top throws to Sanders! A lot. If you’re only using him on deep throws once or twice a season, then why have him? And one of my favorite plays of this entire year was in the last game. The screen TD to Murray, where he released from his block. That was beautifully done, I’d like to see more of that. I’m tired of short left/short right being the staple of our offense.

I’m not sure what to expect in the next game. Check down Brees means we struggle, imho. An opened up offense, using all of the weapons available and this is a VERY talented and good team.

After last game, despite the statistical disasters, I was more optimistic about the future. Then came DB#9’s comments and I cried inside, lol.

Bottom line, I agree with Rez. Regardless of who is throwing the ball, if you’re not scoring on offense, you’re not going to hang with the playoff teams.

Re: Saints again start slow, sloppy with comeback falling short; here's what happened in Chiefs loss
 

It's hard to believe that we weren't motivated but the whole team looked disinterested Sunday. FLAT FOOTED LOSS AGAIN!

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I was listening to Charlie Weis on NFL Radio today and two callers broached this subject. One was complaining about the play calling (not Saints related) not including enough run plays and the other was actually asking about Kamara's lack of touches. Weis' answers overlapped a bit so I'll combine and paraphrase. First, Weis pointed out game planning dictates play calling to a degree, but the defensive front has even more of a direct impact. He said that chance of success on any given play at the line dictates run versus pass. He basically said that while a run may have been the primary call the look often dictates a quick pass for what is usually a better chance at a gain. He has also said in the past the goal is always to run the ball as much as you can, but if the defense is giving you the better chance via pass you have to take it (as pointed out by gosaints1).

Our problem this past game is that we weren't able to take advantage of it early. On some of those hot reads the receivers were completely out on position. On others the read was correct, but the ball was simply dropped. On others Brees wasn't quite dialed in yet.

The Chiefs totally shut down Murray's attempts to run the ball. He had three yards on four carries and those three came on his longest run. I must say that Murray did do well catching the ball with two catches for 26 yards and the TD. Had we completed more of those early short passes it would have opened the door to run more demanding more coverage off the line.

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A fair argument could be made that Murray wasn’t given enough chances. My guess is we’ll both agree that four touches out of a sixty minute game just isn’t a large enough sample. And most runners like Murray tend to get stronger as the game plays on and defenses get tired... Umm, lol, that previous statement presupposes that the opposing team’s defense is on the field longer than 2:40 (Saints longest drive) at a time. But when the opposing team “hyper-focuses” on your running game and/or short passing game, then other portions of the field will be freed up. When that happens, we have to make them pay. We definitely have the talent to do that.

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When we're at full strength we have the talent to do that. Although, we did start taking advantage in the second half.

And you're right, the Chiefs' defense barely worked up a sweat in the first half.

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I'm optimistic we'll get out of the gate quickly on Friday.

Brees won't be stuck in neutral in his second game.

IMO he was very SHARP in that 2 min drill vs Chiefs.

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I consider that garbage time. Saints were two scores down and the ONLY way we were getting the ball back on offense was either a turnover or an onside kick. Saints defense played fairly well, but Mahomes wasn’t going to be stopped. The game was over when we kicked off after that score, from my perspective. 34 first downs allowed and 50%, 9 of 18 on 3rd downs? Ooof. 34 first downs allowed! 41 minutes of possession allowed, the defense was allowing a first downs roughly every minute of the game that Mahomes was on the field.

Ooofff....

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“Chiefs defense barely worked up a sweat.”

Fixed it for you.