Trey Hendrickson ties Aaron Donald for NFL sacks lead, on fewer snaps

Boston Saint · 12-22-2020, 02:06 PM

Is that because you think it’s harder to find a good corner Major ?

K Major · 12-22-2020, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Is that because you think it’s harder to find a good corner Major ?

Absolutely.

Circle back pre 2017 game film at corner. Guys like Corey White, PRob, Breaux and Brandon Browner

makes me appreciate a true #1 CB in Lattimore. I could see if we had players like Jabari or Porter behind him but we don't.

Look no further than KC game. Blanket coverage against 2 of the best (Tyreek & Kelce) in the NFL at their positions. Not many corners can lock down threats on Sundays.

If I was GM, Latt and Ramz would be high priorities for me to sign long term.

papz · 12-22-2020, 02:48 PM

If we keep Lattimore, it's likely we'll have to pay him like he's a true #1 corner. But is he though?

His PFF grades:

2017 87.7 (ranked 8/97)
2018 71.7 (29 of 87)
2019 68.7 (32 of 97)
2020 51.9 (97 of 124)

Food for thought.

FYI, he graded out miserably versus KC last week.

bobdog86 · 12-22-2020, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by papz

If we keep Lattimore, it's likely we'll have to pay him like he's a true #1 corner. But is he though?

His PFF grades:

2017 87.7 (ranked 8/97)
2018 71.7 (29 of 87)
2019 68.7 (32 of 97)
2020 51.9 (97 of 124)

Food for thought.

FYI, he graded out miserably versus KC last week.

KC has a tendency to do that to just about every DB. Still think he gets signed over Trey, but hey all we need is a little Loomis magic...

papz · 12-22-2020, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by bobdog86

KC has a tendency to do that to just about every DB. Still think he gets signed over Trey, but hey all we need is a little Loomis magic...

Very true. The problem is that he's graded out miserably practically every week.

K Major · 12-22-2020, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by papz

FYI, he graded out miserably versus KC last week.

Lattimore played well last Sunday.

PFF graded Patrick Mahommes as "average" but he was great when he needed to be vs Saints.

Statistics aren't always a true indicator of what happens each week.

papz · 12-22-2020, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Lattimore played well last Sunday.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess.

So what about the rest of his consistently bad season?

PFF graded Patrick Mahommes as "average" but he was great when he needed to be vs Saints.

Statistics aren't always a true indicator of what happens each week.

Which is understandable if they're comp'ing him to the rest of his games. He sets a very high bar and his "average" when compared to other quarterbacks, is still better than the majority.

I'm ragging on Lattimore because I know we will likely re-sign him and it's going to take a lot of money to do so. He's been underachieving and we'll have to pay him like an elite corner out of necessity, not because he's is one.

iceshack149 · 12-22-2020, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by papz

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess.

So what about the rest of his consistently bad season?

Which is understandable if they're comp'ing him to the rest of his games. He sets a very high bar and his "average" when compared to other quarterbacks, is still better than the majority.

I'm ragging on Lattimore because I know we will likely re-sign him and it's going to take a lot of money to do so. He's been underachieving and we'll have to pay him like an elite corner out of necessity, not because he's is one.

Good to see you back Papz!

Lattimore is so inconsistent it's maddening but he is a good DB. In the Saints history he is one of the best CB's they've ever had. I know that's not saying much but it's something.

K Major · 12-22-2020, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by papz

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess.

So what about the rest of his consistently bad season?

Which is understandable if they're comp'ing him to the rest of his games. He sets a very high bar and his "average" when compared to other quarterbacks, is still better than the majority.

I'm ragging on Lattimore because I know we will likely re-sign him and it's going to take a lot of money to do so. He's been underachieving and we'll have to pay him like an elite corner out of necessity, not because he's is one.

Consistently bad? See Andrus Peat who got a big contract after statistically poor year end and year out not to mention he's always hurt. If Lattimore isn't re signed, Saints better have a damn good plan B for options at #1 CB.

You lose Marshon Lattimore, this defense will take a nose dive. He was probably the most important piece we had covering Hill and Kelce last Sunday.

I'll repeat, when you spend literally a decade trying to find a top level CB (Latt isn't perfect but he is still a top 10 boundary guy) you don't allow him to walk (extend in 21, he'll cost more in FA) to grab another rookie or veteran on the cheap.

Even a team like the Patriots, who historically don't pay players did so with Stephone Gilmore.

That speaks volumes as to how invaluable & critical the cornerback position is at this level.

papz · 12-22-2020, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Consistently bad? See Andrus Peat who got a big contract after statistically poor year end and year out not to mention he's always hurt. If Lattimore isn't re signed, Saints better have a damn good plan B for options at #1 CB.

This is a weird tangent. Are you saying that since Peat was consistently bad and we paid him, that we should overpay for Lattimore too? And if we do decide to move on from Lattimore, which I'm not suggesting, I would also hope we have a good plan B as well.

You lose Marshon Lattimore, this defense will take a nose dive. He was probably the most important piece we had covering Hill and Kelce last Sunday.

Based on this season? Yea I don't know about that. We're a top ranked defense with Lattimore playing bad all season. On the second part of that, I honestly don't know how you can say that with a straight face.

I'll repeat, when you spend literally a decade trying to find a top level CB (Latt isn't perfect but he is still a top 10 boundary guy) you don't allow him to walk (extend in 21, he'll cost more in FA) to grab another rookie or veteran on the cheap.

Even a team like the Patriots, who historically don't pay players did so with Stephone Gilmore.

That speaks volumes as to how invaluable & critical the cornerback position is at this level.

Except he's not. He certainly has the talent to be one though. Lattimore should be what Jaire Alexander is as they have a similar physical style of play(with a higher pedigree)... but he's no where near that level. To be a little fair to Lattimore, he does have a daunting task facing top tier WRs every week. He might be a defacto number 1 but in reality, he's not. I'm not sure how you could justify that. His regression isn't something that just started this season.

No one would disagree how invaluable and critical having good corners are especially how unfavorable the rules are this day in age for physical corners. I'm just pointing out the facts. I am rooting for Lattimore to reach the level we all know he's capable of. We certainly need it if we don't want to get disappointed in the playoffs again. I don't know how much more I can take. I'm pretty thankful we have a very promising defense that has gotten me a little excited again.

I just wanted to say something about the KC game as well. I know what the score was and what the metrics say but with that said, I thought we played a pretty good game defensively. IMO we lost because of Mahomes, not because our defense played bad... if that makes sense.

12-22-2020, 02:36 PM	#2
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,831 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Trey Hendrickson ties Aaron Donald for NFL sacks lead, on fewer snaps Originally Posted by Boston Saint Is that because you think it’s harder to find a good corner Major ? Absolutely. Circle back pre 2017 game film at corner. Guys like Corey White, PRob, Breaux and Brandon Browner makes me appreciate a true #1 CB in Lattimore. I could see if we had players like Jabari or Porter behind him but we don't. Look no further than KC game. Blanket coverage against 2 of the best (Tyreek & Kelce) in the NFL at their positions. Not many corners can lock down threats on Sundays. If I was GM, Latt and Ramz would be high priorities for me to sign long term.

12-22-2020, 02:48 PM	#3
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,793	Re: Trey Hendrickson ties Aaron Donald for NFL sacks lead, on fewer snaps If we keep Lattimore, it's likely we'll have to pay him like he's a true #1 corner. But is he though? His PFF grades: 2017 87.7 (ranked 8/97) 2018 71.7 (29 of 87) 2019 68.7 (32 of 97) 2020 51.9 (97 of 124) Food for thought. FYI, he graded out miserably versus KC last week. SmashMouth likes this.

12-22-2020, 03:30 PM	#4
bobdog86 Site Donor Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,485	Re: Trey Hendrickson ties Aaron Donald for NFL sacks lead, on fewer snaps Originally Posted by papz If we keep Lattimore, it's likely we'll have to pay him like he's a true #1 corner. But is he though? His PFF grades: 2017 87.7 (ranked 8/97) 2018 71.7 (29 of 87) 2019 68.7 (32 of 97) 2020 51.9 (97 of 124) Food for thought. FYI, he graded out miserably versus KC last week. KC has a tendency to do that to just about every DB. Still think he gets signed over Trey, but hey all we need is a little Loomis magic...

12-22-2020, 04:26 PM	#5
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,793	Re: Trey Hendrickson ties Aaron Donald for NFL sacks lead, on fewer snaps Originally Posted by bobdog86 KC has a tendency to do that to just about every DB. Still think he gets signed over Trey, but hey all we need is a little Loomis magic... Very true. The problem is that he's graded out miserably practically every week.

12-22-2020, 03:38 PM	#6
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,831 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Trey Hendrickson ties Aaron Donald for NFL sacks lead, on fewer snaps Originally Posted by papz FYI, he graded out miserably versus KC last week. Lattimore played well last Sunday. PFF graded Patrick Mahommes as "average" but he was great when he needed to be vs Saints. Statistics aren't always a true indicator of what happens each week.

12-22-2020, 02:06 PM	#1
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12-22-2020, 04:36 PM	#7
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,793	Re: Trey Hendrickson ties Aaron Donald for NFL sacks lead, on fewer snaps Originally Posted by K Major Lattimore played well last Sunday. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess. So what about the rest of his consistently bad season? PFF graded Patrick Mahommes as "average" but he was great when he needed to be vs Saints. Statistics aren't always a true indicator of what happens each week. Which is understandable if they're comp'ing him to the rest of his games. He sets a very high bar and his "average" when compared to other quarterbacks, is still better than the majority. I'm ragging on Lattimore because I know we will likely re-sign him and it's going to take a lot of money to do so. He's been underachieving and we'll have to pay him like an elite corner out of necessity, not because he's is one.
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12-22-2020, 04:52 PM	#8
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,406 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Trey Hendrickson ties Aaron Donald for NFL sacks lead, on fewer snaps Originally Posted by papz Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess. So what about the rest of his consistently bad season? Which is understandable if they're comp'ing him to the rest of his games. He sets a very high bar and his "average" when compared to other quarterbacks, is still better than the majority. I'm ragging on Lattimore because I know we will likely re-sign him and it's going to take a lot of money to do so. He's been underachieving and we'll have to pay him like an elite corner out of necessity, not because he's is one. Good to see you back Papz! Lattimore is so inconsistent it's maddening but he is a good DB. In the Saints history he is one of the best CB's they've ever had. I know that's not saying much but it's something.

12-22-2020, 05:03 PM	#9
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,831 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Trey Hendrickson ties Aaron Donald for NFL sacks lead, on fewer snaps Originally Posted by papz Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess. So what about the rest of his consistently bad season? Which is understandable if they're comp'ing him to the rest of his games. He sets a very high bar and his "average" when compared to other quarterbacks, is still better than the majority. I'm ragging on Lattimore because I know we will likely re-sign him and it's going to take a lot of money to do so. He's been underachieving and we'll have to pay him like an elite corner out of necessity, not because he's is one. Consistently bad? See Andrus Peat who got a big contract after statistically poor year end and year out not to mention he's always hurt. If Lattimore isn't re signed, Saints better have a damn good plan B for options at #1 CB. You lose Marshon Lattimore, this defense will take a nose dive. He was probably the most important piece we had covering Hill and Kelce last Sunday. I'll repeat, when you spend literally a decade trying to find a top level CB (Latt isn't perfect but he is still a top 10 boundary guy) you don't allow him to walk (extend in 21, he'll cost more in FA) to grab another rookie or veteran on the cheap. Even a team like the Patriots, who historically don't pay players did so with Stephone Gilmore. That speaks volumes as to how invaluable & critical the cornerback position is at this level. Rsanders24 and NewfieSaint like this.

12-22-2020, 07:42 PM	#10
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,793	Re: Trey Hendrickson ties Aaron Donald for NFL sacks lead, on fewer snaps Originally Posted by K Major Consistently bad? See Andrus Peat who got a big contract after statistically poor year end and year out not to mention he's always hurt. If Lattimore isn't re signed, Saints better have a damn good plan B for options at #1 CB. This is a weird tangent. Are you saying that since Peat was consistently bad and we paid him, that we should overpay for Lattimore too? And if we do decide to move on from Lattimore, which I'm not suggesting, I would also hope we have a good plan B as well. You lose Marshon Lattimore, this defense will take a nose dive. He was probably the most important piece we had covering Hill and Kelce last Sunday. Based on this season? Yea I don't know about that. We're a top ranked defense with Lattimore playing bad all season. On the second part of that, I honestly don't know how you can say that with a straight face. I'll repeat, when you spend literally a decade trying to find a top level CB (Latt isn't perfect but he is still a top 10 boundary guy) you don't allow him to walk (extend in 21, he'll cost more in FA) to grab another rookie or veteran on the cheap. Even a team like the Patriots, who historically don't pay players did so with Stephone Gilmore. That speaks volumes as to how invaluable & critical the cornerback position is at this level. Except he's not. He certainly has the talent to be one though. Lattimore should be what Jaire Alexander is as they have a similar physical style of play(with a higher pedigree)... but he's no where near that level. To be a little fair to Lattimore, he does have a daunting task facing top tier WRs every week. He might be a defacto number 1 but in reality, he's not. I'm not sure how you could justify that. His regression isn't something that just started this season. No one would disagree how invaluable and critical having good corners are especially how unfavorable the rules are this day in age for physical corners. I'm just pointing out the facts. I am rooting for Lattimore to reach the level we all know he's capable of. We certainly need it if we don't want to get disappointed in the playoffs again. I don't know how much more I can take. I'm pretty thankful we have a very promising defense that has gotten me a little excited again. I just wanted to say something about the KC game as well. I know what the score was and what the metrics say but with that said, I thought we played a pretty good game defensively. IMO we lost because of Mahomes, not because our defense played bad... if that makes sense. st thomas, gosaints1 and Boston Saint like this.
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