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I watched a special on the making of the schedule. They run millions of iterations of the schedule before coming down to the final version which is then presented to Goodell for final signoff. It uses a list of rules which attempts to eliminate scheduling discrepancies as much as is possible. Each iteration is given a generated grade based upon compliance to the "rules". These rules mark down for multi-game road trips, etc. They also grade up matchups in certain time slots. It has to take into consideration events already scheduled in advance for the venues, network affiliation availability, etc. It was extremely interesting, but also clearly showed that there is no possibility of individual bias, especially on the part of Goodell. His input only involves the approval of rules, which have pretty much been the same since well before it all went completely computer driven, and the final signoff on the single schedule finally placed before him.

Unfortunately, your scenarios, while desirable even in the scheduling team's plans, are skewered by all of the outside factors concerning the venues and broadcast requirements. Events booked years in advance for the day before, during, and after game dates take precedent. Some teams are going to have back-to-back-to-back road games. There's no way around it. Or back-to-back opposite coast games. Although, the rules flag those teams to help avoid the same sort of scheduling "bad breaks" over the next couple of years.

This is all done via simulations and the team simply compares grades and then goes over the entire schedule generated of those with the very highest grades to see if any will make the final cuts.

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Or that is all a smokescreen that they can tell the public to present a fair front when in reality Gotohell picks the schedule that screws the teams he wants to screw, like the Saints, the most. Sort of like when the NBA did their own internal investigation of the point shaving Ref and announced he was the only culprit.

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LOL! Nope. Not a smokescreen at all. The special covered the whole process for the entire offseason the day they knew all the matchups. It followed the procedure daily as a documentary.

Here's the actual video. It is about 22 minutes long. It is well worth the watch.

https://www.facebook.com/NFL/videos/308752617366751

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I know he's not questioning me, JP. I certainly don't think he's delusional as others that think the schedule is manipulated for certain outcomes. It is difficult enough with ONE BILLION possibilities to even come out with something that works on the most basic level without dreaming of ways to manipulate something that doesn't even have rosters in place yet. I know Boston isn't that shallow. LOL! I am well aware he was making light of it.

Anyone out there that even vaguely believes outcome manipulation is involved needs to watch the documentary. Or stop believing in fairly tales.

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Am looking for investors to purchase the GNO bridge...

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You clearly have no clue how the schedule is generated. One can easily assume you have already purchased said bridge.

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Yeah, because the league is totally free of that type of scandal. After all, It’s not like the league would say, possibly blow a big call late in a game that would have allowed a big market team to make it to the SB over a small market team or unduly punish a team and players for made-up bounty infractions or anything like that! Only a lunatic would even remotely consider the possibility that this league, lead by a high moral character like Roger G, could ever do anything questionable like that.

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I cannot argue against those possibilities. They are extremely unlikely, but possible in the scheme of things. However, the process used in the generation of the schedule precludes any possibility of manipulating outcomes. Did you watch the video on the process involved that I posted? It's really interesting.

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I did watch it. Not much in it surprised me. I heard many “artist” type references and “does this feel like a football game” and “Roger gives us 10 games he would like to see on Sunday night” type statements. They are sort of admitting their is a personal “bias” in the system. I didn’t see anything that makes me believe favoritism is taken out of the equation. IDK, maybe it’s a Coincidence that after Tampa signed brady they get a schedule where their bye week occurred late in the year to help them heal up before playoffs meanwhile the Saints get the same early bye they seem to year after year (that is a generalized statement).

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Yes. I would call it a coincidence. It's hard for me to understand all of this "the league is out to get us" crap. Yes, the whole deal with the false claims concerning the so-called bounty affair was targeted toward the Saints, but for no reason other than our team happened to be the first that gave the league office the target. It could have just as easily been any of the other 31 teams. We were in the wrong place at the wrong time based upon the upcoming concussion claims against the league and happened to have a disgruntled ex-employee that made up stories to feed right into it. It was the perfect storm.

As for the scheduling, they of course want to have the highest interest games in prime slots. It is a business and the whole point is making money and getting exposure. None of that has anything to do with these ludicrous claims of manipulating outcomes.

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There is a spectrum between “The league is out to get us” and demonstrated preference to/bias against certain teams. The answer is somewhere between. I think the league really wanted Brady to win a SB with Tampa. There was
just too much media to take advantage of there.

If they were really interested in an as equitable schedule as possible, every team (since there are 32) would get a Monday night game, a Thursday game and a Sunday night game. The 17th/final game (played week 18) everyone plays Sunday. The fact that they don’t do this indicates the league has an inherit bias for some teams over others. It is illogical to
deny that. Since a bias exists, the potential for that bias to be abused is very real. Just my opinion.

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The league isn't concerned about a totally equitable schedule. Due to scheduling conflict that is virtually impossible. First and foremost they want to maximize viewership, as they should. It is an entertainment industry. That is the primary goal as it should be.

Every year certain teams are going to get a short end of the stick and there is no way around it. Part of their formula is to attempt to keep that from happening to the same teams the following year. As for Monday games, if you want to play on Mondays put together a winning franchise. The same goes for all primetime games.

What you are misconstruing is that there is something wrong with bias. The NFL isn't some sacred institution where everyone gets a participation trophy. It is a multi-billion dollar industry in the business of selling entertainment for dollars. They have a bias to get the most popular teams and players into the most visible timeslots.

However, given that is a subject of the gambling industry a different bias is involved. Any sort of manipulation of outcomes would be impossible to hide. Look at your example of the referees in the NBA. That came to light. If there is more than one person involved it will get exposed when gambling is involved. The gambling regulators of each individual state have dedicated staffs that do nothing but ferret out any signs of manipulation in all sports that they provide betting on. The NFL is the largest of those sports. If there was any hint of impropriety involving outcomes it would be front page news immediately. It has happened many times in the past in other sports. Point shaving, throwing games, etc. They always come to light. Someone ALWAYS lets it leak.

As for the league wanting Brady to win, that didn't help the league whatsoever. They know the public was sick of Brady and Tampa is not one of the best broadcast draws in the league. Besides, Brady didn't even sign with the Bucs until the schedule was almost two months into the generation process.

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Most of what you say here backs up my points. You admit there is a bias. You say it is good for the sport I say it isn’t. When people point out that it exists you lump them in a “league is out to get us , tin foil hat, conspiracy theory”
group to diminish their ideas rather than addressing them. No one is saying the NFL is a shrine or holy. I don’t know where that is coming from. You act like like it is a “sin” to point out that it is open to outside/or inside manipulation.

As for the NBA, they did a questionable internal audit to determine he was the only ref involved. If you accept that as proof the NBA is clean from cheating/bias then you should re-think that tinfoil hat meme.

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I trust Vegas to find the cheats far more so than the leagues themselves. They have everything to lose with manipulated games. The NFL knows they have far too much to lose, as well, if they ever got caught manipulating.

Occam's Razor. What the NFL has to lose by manipulating outcomes outweighs anything they would have to gain by millions of times over, therefore, the NFL is not manipulating outcomes.

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Hardly anyone, outside of Saints fans, batted an eye when the PI no call kept the Saints from the SB. The league had no problem recovering from that black eye which easily could have been a fix to get the new LA team in the SB. They’ve already proved they can blatantly cheat a team and get away with it.

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What?! That was the topic of the entire off-season! It was beat into the ground on sports talk radio with guests from all around the league declaring the Saints got screwed over and over and over again! A new rule (while having no teeth) was instigated over the uproar involving that play!

However, as badly as I was destroyed by that horrendous "no-call" I have never believed there was any premeditation or directive involved. I am convinced it was the fault of part-time officials that were scared stiff of making a call that would absolutely determine the outcome of the game. The game was over for sure had they made the call. One wanted to make the call but was talked out of it by the other close by official. They swallowed their whistles while most likely praying that it wouldn't come back to bite them. They were wrong. It was a total ****-up on all counts, but I have no belief at all it was because the "league" wanted a certain outcome.

The Saints were not cheated because the league wanted it. The Saints were screwed over because the league has continued to march out incompetent part-time officials in a $14 billion dollar annual revenue league.

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It was over by the time the SB started. More people care about the current Aron Rodgers saga then cared about the Saints getting cheated. And you are forgetting my original point was about the possibility of it happening more so than the likelihood. You were painting those who saw the potential of it happening as tin foil hat wearers and used the video as proof the schedule was 100 percent legit. I disagree. The possibility of manipulation for certain teams benefits absolutely exists and does occur to varying degrees.

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Golden 11. Add the Patriots, Chiefs and now the Bucs.

I watch ESPN's Get Up in the morning. They literally will spend a week cycling the same 3 stories from this group than talk about anything else in the NFL. This week's three stories: Where will Julio be traded? What will happen with ARod? Can the Chiefs go 20-0?

I was amazed that it got broken up by the 17 YO girl who knocked the bear off the wall to save her dogs.

I do have to admit that back with the Rams shame happened, the national media did talk about it for a bit.

SFIAH

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Exactly. Because of my schedule I sometime force myself to watch Florio and Simms on PFT just to observe. It’s nothing but Rogers! Simms has such a Fascination with him and calling him the greatest of all time that it is creepy! Peter king is a guest on Friday. He’s not bad in my opinion.

Why can’t they spend 3-5 minutes one day a week talking about each team in each conference division? For example, Monday is North day and they spend 3 minutes each on a quick rundown of the 8 NFC/AFC North divisions. That’s half an hour on mentioning, discussing, and including an entire 2 division’s worth of teams and their fans that you normally wouldn’t. That still leaves you 1+ hours to kiss Rogers’ (both Aron and Gotohell) ass each day!

P.S. I predict that AG is going to say it’s because of the money.

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They talk about it on a few shows. But seemed like they couldn’t reshow the video often enough on the NFL network u could tell they were muzzled on elaborating deep into it, I gave up the channel for a year. And still not a fan of it because it’s controlled by the league and good fuuukdell


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Not sure what you watch and listen to but it was a major topic for months everywhere. It was on ESPN radio and NFL Radio and more online print sites than I can count. Kept seeing it on TV, as well. They made a rule change because of the pressure (although it was a useless attempt) from all across the spectrum.

Not sure how you are missing the boat on this one, JP?

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Not sure how you missed it unless you don't watch much but it was shown over and over and over for months. It was universally considered a horrible call.

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Godhell did a fine job of turning the media and most national viewers against us. Oh well, they are just ignorant sheep led by Godhell's lies. Baaa. Baaa. Black sheep have you any wool? No. Godhell mislead me and played me for a fool....

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How much media coverage at various levels did or did not harp on the call isn’t really relevant. The point is the league made a major “mistake” in a major game and there were zero lasting repercussions from it. That mistake could have been 100% accidental or intentional. Here we are a few seasons and a pandemic later and only Saints fans likely remember. I don’t see where the argument there is too much to lose is valid because they’ve already made the mistake via incompetence or deceit. Either way they survived it. They are either saying “Hey, we wanted to give LA a chance and have an exciting game”, or they say “We are too stupid to efficiently referee this Billion dollar industry that you devote your time and money to”. I honestly don’t known which is worse.

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I follow FAR more outlets than satellite radio. That play was the talk of the off-season far and wide. As I pointed out it even prompted the implementation of a new (toothless) rule.

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There were definitely repercussions. As I pointed out, a rule was implemented because of the play. It was not an enforceable rule, but it has kept it relevant. There is now a strong support for a "sky judge" that can make calls from the booth that point out that singular play as their supportive reasoning. I expect will come about soon and its genesis was that single call in that game.

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Those are not repercussions to the league. Those are platitudes to amuse the masses.

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You might want to check out Moving The Chains on NFL Radio with Pat Kirwan and Jim Miller. They go through every team division by division giving every team the same amount of discussion on several topics including personnel groups, offensive and defensive schemes, etc. They spend the entire off-season doing this. They also break down personnel groupings and things like gap assignments and such.

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Two posts later...

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That is one source of many, by the way. And Moving the Chains is the most football educational show I have come across anywhere. You should check it out sometime. You'll probably learn something. And check out Pat Kirwan's books ...

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I love the quote at the bottom of the 2.0 book. How to watch football by knowing where to look. I need that book! I never seem to watch anything but the big uglies(I love watching the work in the trenches) and the occasional WR streaking down the field or a hand off to the RB.

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I've learned a lot about the game from him that never gets mentioned in mainstream sports programming. Those two books are on my birthday wish list.

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My birthday is in March. I'll send you my address. Thanks for the offer. I'll enjoy studying them. ;)

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Okay, going to buy a lottery ticket, if it hits Jackpot, this is what I'll buy...

With Halo's nod, we'll work out advertising and call it the BlackandGold.com FanCave...

We'll livestream the discussions; arguments settled with Rock'em Sock'em Robots - it'll be an instant hit in #WhoDatNation...

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Much of that was planned for last year before the pandemic. The Dome is going to continue to be a great venue moving forward.

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