Saints Sweep NFC South

neugey · 01-04-2021, 05:34 PM

The Bills are the only other team to sweep their division this year. McDermott and Payton for co-coach of year award.

WhoDat!656 · 01-04-2021, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Here's the play-by-play from the Kansas City game. Tell me which plays should have been runs instead of passes. Keep in mind we only had 51 offensive plays as opposed to 88 for the Chiefs.

Kansas City's game plan was to sell out completely on the run and force Brees to throw the ball in his first game back. Normally Brees would make a team pay bigtime for using that strategy, but if you remember he was clearly off early and didn't get into a rhythm until the second half.

You know the old saying, "dance with the one that brung ya'"? Going pass or run based upon the defensive alignment is what has made Payton/Brees' offenses the best in the NFL over the last decade and a half. Running the ball when the box is stacked over and over again will do nothing but produce 3 and outs.

Ok I'll play along

Saints 1st possession:
Kamara- 5 yds
Brees-incomplete pass
Brees-incomplete pass
Punt

Saints 2nd possession:
Brees-incomplete pass
Kamara-5 yds
Brees-interception

Saints 3rd possession:
Kamara-4 yds
Kamara-2 yds
Brees-incomplete
Punt

Thirty3 · 01-04-2021, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

Yes it's kinda crazy. NFC South is very competitive and very rival-like. Any team can beat any team in the NFC South on any given Sunday.

EXCEPT this year!

AsylumGuido · 01-04-2021, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

Ok I'll play along

Saints 1st possession:
Kamara- 5 yds
Brees-incomplete pass
Brees-incomplete pass
Punt

Saints 2nd possession:
Brees-incomplete pass
Kamara-5 yds
Brees-interception

Saints 3rd possession:
Kamara-4 yds
Kamara-2 yds
Brees-incomplete
Punt

What was the defensive alignment in those situations? Looks like 2nd or 3rd and medium (4 or 5 to go). The defense would be doubling down against the run each of those occasions. The play would be a pass.

WhoDat!656 · 01-04-2021, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

What was the defensive alignment in those situations? Looks like 2nd or 3rd and medium (4 or 5 to go). The defense would be doubling down against the run each of those occasions. The play would be a pass.

Run until they prove they can stop it.

AsylumGuido · 01-05-2021, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

Run until they prove they can stop it.

Which would be pretty darned quick if all you did was show run. How many three and outs signify proving they stop it? One, two, perhaps three or more? How about when you're down 17-0?

Most play callers have a script of 15 plays to be used in 1st and 2nd down situations of average down and distance. These are used when the ball is between the twenties. Most of these have a pass/run option based upon the defense. These are always the most practiced and should show success based upon execution.

Second and third downs and long are also planned in advance, as are plays from inside your own 20 and inside the opponents red zone. These plays are not part of the scripted 15 plays.

This was all from Charlie Weis recently when asked by a caller about the impact of the regular play caller being out due to COVID.

Simply running the ball until they prove they can stop it may work in high school or in out-manned college match-ups, but not against NFL caliber defenses. Those same defenses will be playing to stop the run until you show you can throw it.

TheOak · 01-05-2021, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

Ok I'll play along

Saints 1st possession:
Kamara- 5 yds
Brees-incomplete pass
Brees-incomplete pass
Punt

Saints 2nd possession:
Brees-incomplete pass
Kamara-5 yds
Brees-interception

Saints 3rd possession:
Kamara-4 yds
Kamara-2 yds
Brees-incomplete
Punt

Sean scripts the first 13-15 plays. Always has and is known as one of the best in the league at it. Scripting the first few possessions allows the offense to set the pace otherwise the defense will dictate things which is not where we want to be. Second half is different due to adjustments to what was seen in the first half.

jeanpierre · 01-05-2021, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

SP's play-calling, when it comes to running the ball, is suspect at times.

The loss to KC being a prime example. The Chiefs run defense was ranked around 26th when we played and I believe AK was averaging around 5+ yards a carry in that game and it was Brees' first game back from a significant injury. SP should have run the brakes off of KC.

It would have kept Mahomes on the sidelines and IMO dramatically increased the Saints chances of winning.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Here's the play-by-play from the Kansas City game. Tell me which plays should have been runs instead of passes. Keep in mind we only had 51 offensive plays as opposed to 88 for the Chiefs.

Kansas City's game plan was to sell out completely on the run and force Brees to throw the ball in his first game back. Normally Brees would make a team pay bigtime for using that strategy, but if you remember he was clearly off early and didn't get into a rhythm until the second half.

You know the old saying, "dance with the one that brung ya'"? Going pass or run based upon the defensive alignment is what has made Payton/Brees' offenses the best in the NFL over the last decade and a half. Running the ball when the box is stacked over and over again will do nothing but produce 3 and outs.

Some of you have stated you have Sunday Ticket or access to rewatch the game; stopped counting at least four times Drew checked-down into a run...

Know it's rare in this day and age, but if Truth is more important than winning, you'll see the plays if you take your time and watch it objectively...

Payton has no fear to pass, pass, and pass - smarter, better defensive teams have figured this out and scheme accordingly...

At this stage of Brees' career, and given the investment and talent on the offensive line and running back, as well as WR; it'd make more sense to run a play-action pass offense...

I'd also include roll-outs for Brees' happy feet and justified distrust in the center of his oft-injured line; he's just got to get that ball downfield to Sanders, Trautman et al - hitting the receiver(s) in stride...

TheOak · 01-05-2021, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Some of you have stated you have Sunday Ticket or access to rewatch the game; stopped counting at least four times Drew checked-down into a run...

Know it's rare in this day and age, but if Truth is more important than winning, you'll see the plays if you take your time and watch it objectively...

Payton has no fear to pass, pass, and pass - smarter, better defensive teams have figured this out and scheme accordingly...

At this stage of Brees' career, and given the investment and talent on the offensive line and running back, as well as WR; it'd make more sense to run a play-action pass offense...

I'd also include roll-outs for Brees' happy feet and justified distrust in the center of his oft-injured line; he's just got to get that ball downfield to Sanders, Trautman et al - hitting the receiver(s) in stride...

Objectively I have noticed some decay in both judgement and accuracy when he is happy feet'ing. I also don't think he 'feels' the presence of defenders in the backfield when he is mobile like he used to. Ball security is a big negative for us regardless of which facet is in possession.

In the pocket and planted seems to be his sweet spot. When he gets mobile his eyes get real bright like that kid in the yearbook that used to bite everyone. (crazy eyes)

dskyyksd · 01-05-2021, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Yes! First time ever. The Saints are the first team to sweep the NFC South. The Saints are also the first NFC South franchise to win the division title four straight years.

Let's all get on board to run off our Hall of Fame QB and demean every move our head coach and front office makes!

Woohoo!

Can't wait to move off this streak of success, huh?

My only beef is with Roger Goodell for his never-ending vendetta against our coach and the resulting Vince McMahon-style tampering with our postseason success the past two years with those blatant and inexcusable no-calls that ended both seasons. The year before that was a straight-up fluke. This has been a team good enough to win four straight Super Bowls and we still have nothing to show for it. There is a window of opportunity that isn't going to last forever.

01-04-2021, 05:34 PM	#11
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,697 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Saints Sweep NFC South The Bills are the only other team to sweep their division this year. McDermott and Payton for co-coach of year award.

01-04-2021, 06:38 PM	#12
WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,046	Re: Saints Sweep NFC South Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Here's the play-by-play from the Kansas City game. Tell me which plays should have been runs instead of passes. Keep in mind we only had 51 offensive plays as opposed to 88 for the Chiefs. Kansas City's game plan was to sell out completely on the run and force Brees to throw the ball in his first game back. Normally Brees would make a team pay bigtime for using that strategy, but if you remember he was clearly off early and didn't get into a rhythm until the second half. You know the old saying, "dance with the one that brung ya'"? Going pass or run based upon the defensive alignment is what has made Payton/Brees' offenses the best in the NFL over the last decade and a half. Running the ball when the box is stacked over and over again will do nothing but produce 3 and outs. Ok I'll play along Saints 1st possession: Kamara- 5 yds Brees-incomplete pass Brees-incomplete pass Punt Saints 2nd possession: Brees-incomplete pass Kamara-5 yds Brees-interception Saints 3rd possession: Kamara-4 yds Kamara-2 yds Brees-incomplete Punt

01-04-2021, 07:36 PM	#13
Thirty3 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 1,255	Re: Saints Sweep NFC South Originally Posted by Halo Yes it's kinda crazy. NFC South is very competitive and very rival-like. Any team can beat any team in the NFC South on any given Sunday. EXCEPT this year!
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01-04-2021, 07:52 PM	#14
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Saints Sweep NFC South Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 Ok I'll play along Saints 1st possession: Kamara- 5 yds Brees-incomplete pass Brees-incomplete pass Punt Saints 2nd possession: Brees-incomplete pass Kamara-5 yds Brees-interception Saints 3rd possession: Kamara-4 yds Kamara-2 yds Brees-incomplete Punt What was the defensive alignment in those situations? Looks like 2nd or 3rd and medium (4 or 5 to go). The defense would be doubling down against the run each of those occasions. The play would be a pass.

01-04-2021, 08:08 PM	#15
WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,046	Re: Saints Sweep NFC South Originally Posted by AsylumGuido What was the defensive alignment in those situations? Looks like 2nd or 3rd and medium (4 or 5 to go). The defense would be doubling down against the run each of those occasions. The play would be a pass. Run until they prove they can stop it.

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01-05-2021, 08:56 AM	#16
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Saints Sweep NFC South Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 Run until they prove they can stop it. Which would be pretty darned quick if all you did was show run. How many three and outs signify proving they stop it? One, two, perhaps three or more? How about when you're down 17-0? Most play callers have a script of 15 plays to be used in 1st and 2nd down situations of average down and distance. These are used when the ball is between the twenties. Most of these have a pass/run option based upon the defense. These are always the most practiced and should show success based upon execution. Second and third downs and long are also planned in advance, as are plays from inside your own 20 and inside the opponents red zone. These plays are not part of the scripted 15 plays. This was all from Charlie Weis recently when asked by a caller about the impact of the regular play caller being out due to COVID. Simply running the ball until they prove they can stop it may work in high school or in out-manned college match-ups, but not against NFL caliber defenses. Those same defenses will be playing to stop the run until you show you can throw it.
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01-05-2021, 09:21 AM	#17
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Saints Sweep NFC South Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 Ok I'll play along Saints 1st possession: Kamara- 5 yds Brees-incomplete pass Brees-incomplete pass Punt Saints 2nd possession: Brees-incomplete pass Kamara-5 yds Brees-interception Saints 3rd possession: Kamara-4 yds Kamara-2 yds Brees-incomplete Punt Sean scripts the first 13-15 plays. Always has and is known as one of the best in the league at it. Scripting the first few possessions allows the offense to set the pace otherwise the defense will dictate things which is not where we want to be. Second half is different due to adjustments to what was seen in the first half.

01-05-2021, 10:23 AM	#18
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints Sweep NFC South Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 SP's play-calling, when it comes to running the ball, is suspect at times. The loss to KC being a prime example. The Chiefs run defense was ranked around 26th when we played and I believe AK was averaging around 5+ yards a carry in that game and it was Brees' first game back from a significant injury. SP should have run the brakes off of KC. It would have kept Mahomes on the sidelines and IMO dramatically increased the Saints chances of winning. Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Here's the play-by-play from the Kansas City game. Tell me which plays should have been runs instead of passes. Keep in mind we only had 51 offensive plays as opposed to 88 for the Chiefs. Kansas City's game plan was to sell out completely on the run and force Brees to throw the ball in his first game back. Normally Brees would make a team pay bigtime for using that strategy, but if you remember he was clearly off early and didn't get into a rhythm until the second half. You know the old saying, "dance with the one that brung ya'"? Going pass or run based upon the defensive alignment is what has made Payton/Brees' offenses the best in the NFL over the last decade and a half. Running the ball when the box is stacked over and over again will do nothing but produce 3 and outs. Some of you have stated you have Sunday Ticket or access to rewatch the game; stopped counting at least four times Drew checked-down into a run... Know it's rare in this day and age, but if Truth is more important than winning, you'll see the plays if you take your time and watch it objectively... Payton has no fear to pass, pass, and pass - smarter, better defensive teams have figured this out and scheme accordingly... At this stage of Brees' career, and given the investment and talent on the offensive line and running back, as well as WR; it'd make more sense to run a play-action pass offense... I'd also include roll-outs for Brees' happy feet and justified distrust in the center of his oft-injured line; he's just got to get that ball downfield to Sanders, Trautman et al - hitting the receiver(s) in stride... iceshack149 likes this.
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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Saints Sweep NFC South Originally Posted by jeanpierre Some of you have stated you have Sunday Ticket or access to rewatch the game; stopped counting at least four times Drew checked-down into a run... Know it's rare in this day and age, but if Truth is more important than winning, you'll see the plays if you take your time and watch it objectively... Payton has no fear to pass, pass, and pass - smarter, better defensive teams have figured this out and scheme accordingly... At this stage of Brees' career, and given the investment and talent on the offensive line and running back, as well as WR; it'd make more sense to run a play-action pass offense... I'd also include roll-outs for Brees' happy feet and justified distrust in the center of his oft-injured line; he's just got to get that ball downfield to Sanders, Trautman et al - hitting the receiver(s) in stride... Objectively I have noticed some decay in both judgement and accuracy when he is happy feet'ing. I also don't think he 'feels' the presence of defenders in the backfield when he is mobile like he used to. Ball security is a big negative for us regardless of which facet is in possession. In the pocket and planted seems to be his sweet spot. When he gets mobile his eyes get real bright like that kid in the yearbook that used to bite everyone. (crazy eyes) Rugby Saint II likes this.

01-05-2021, 11:10 AM	#20
dskyyksd Registered Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 73	Re: Saints Sweep NFC South Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Yes! First time ever. The Saints are the first team to sweep the NFC South. The Saints are also the first NFC South franchise to win the division title four straight years. Let's all get on board to run off our Hall of Fame QB and demean every move our head coach and front office makes! Woohoo! Can't wait to move off this streak of success, huh? My only beef is with Roger Goodell for his never-ending vendetta against our coach and the resulting Vince McMahon-style tampering with our postseason success the past two years with those blatant and inexcusable no-calls that ended both seasons. The year before that was a straight-up fluke. This has been a team good enough to win four straight Super Bowls and we still have nothing to show for it. There is a window of opportunity that isn't going to last forever. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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