PFF suggests Saints may have the best roster among playoff contenders

bobdog86 · 01-06-2021, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Anyway, we are on the verge of going in circles here. I agree that there are plays here and there throughout a game that can determine if a team wins or loses. The Saints have to get as many of those plays correct as they can. But likewise you can make every play perfect and the refs. can still make/not make calls or make bad calls that cost you the game. (Did anyone see the phantom unnecessary roughness Call the lions got on The Cousins sack this past weekend?).

The GB game from earlier this year is an example. Saints lost that game. Penalty difference was 8-2 in GB favor with 4-2 GB favor in penalties for first downs. Now, Saints could and should look at plays they didn’t make in that game. But to say that the refs didn’t have an impact on the result of that game that is outside of the player’s control is wrong and to simply say the answer is to “play better” won’t win a Super Bowl If they decide to ignore obvious holds against the Saints D line again and let one set of D backs to get away with things they aren’t letting the other team’s. Just like the players on the field, the refs on the field have a duty to do their job well. When they don’t, things get screwy.

Looking at that.....Jenkins had 2 PI calls on one drive, a horse collar on another...at the time our defense literally stunk. We had an offside on 3rd and 7 that led to a fg. GB scored 23 points on drives with penalties. I expect that to be different if we play them again, and also moving forward. When the team plays better because we have the people in coverage, or correct scheme. {not because of the refs} but because we are better.

Boston Saint · 01-06-2021, 09:15 PM

Agreed to both. When I look at losses I try to evaluate what happened. That starts with comparing the team to the opponent. This season’s loses looked like this:

GB- Close game against a good team. Can’t say they outplayed the Saints. They got a few turnovers that were unforced, and they hit some long shots. The team stayed with it and kept it close, and I do think the refs had an impact with the lopsided calls as I remember the D line being held all night.

Raiders- Tough road game opening a new stadium on Monday night, so they were pumped. Carr passed all over and they scored a lot of points. BUT the penalty difference was large in the game (10-3 5-1). Again, this seems quite a bit on refs.

Philly - Completely unprepared in all facets of the game. Refs had no impact.

KC - Big game against a big team. Played them as well as they could with deprecated team. Again, missed several hold calls against the D line. But refs didn’t influence the outcome much.

Just my thought.

01-06-2021, 08:54 PM	#1
bobdog86 Site Donor Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,487	Re: PFF suggests Saints may have the best roster among playoff contenders Originally Posted by Boston Saint Anyway, we are on the verge of going in circles here. I agree that there are plays here and there throughout a game that can determine if a team wins or loses. The Saints have to get as many of those plays correct as they can. But likewise you can make every play perfect and the refs. can still make/not make calls or make bad calls that cost you the game. (Did anyone see the phantom unnecessary roughness Call the lions got on The Cousins sack this past weekend?). The GB game from earlier this year is an example. Saints lost that game. Penalty difference was 8-2 in GB favor with 4-2 GB favor in penalties for first downs. Now, Saints could and should look at plays they didn’t make in that game. But to say that the refs didn’t have an impact on the result of that game that is outside of the player’s control is wrong and to simply say the answer is to “play better” won’t win a Super Bowl If they decide to ignore obvious holds against the Saints D line again and let one set of D backs to get away with things they aren’t letting the other team’s. Just like the players on the field, the refs on the field have a duty to do their job well. When they don’t, things get screwy. Looking at that.....Jenkins had 2 PI calls on one drive, a horse collar on another...at the time our defense literally stunk. We had an offside on 3rd and 7 that led to a fg. GB scored 23 points on drives with penalties. I expect that to be different if we play them again, and also moving forward. When the team plays better because we have the people in coverage, or correct scheme. {not because of the refs} but because we are better.

01-06-2021, 09:15 PM	#2
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: PFF suggests Saints may have the best roster among playoff contenders Agreed to both. When I look at losses I try to evaluate what happened. That starts with comparing the team to the opponent. This season’s loses looked like this: GB- Close game against a good team. Can’t say they outplayed the Saints. They got a few turnovers that were unforced, and they hit some long shots. The team stayed with it and kept it close, and I do think the refs had an impact with the lopsided calls as I remember the D line being held all night. Raiders- Tough road game opening a new stadium on Monday night, so they were pumped. Carr passed all over and they scored a lot of points. BUT the penalty difference was large in the game (10-3 5-1). Again, this seems quite a bit on refs. Philly - Completely unprepared in all facets of the game. Refs had no impact. KC - Big game against a big team. Played them as well as they could with deprecated team. Again, missed several hold calls against the D line. But refs didn’t influence the outcome much. Just my thought.
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