PFF suggests Saints may have the best roster among playoff contenders

bobdog86 · 01-06-2021, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Punch them in the throat...and get tossed like Jordan did against KC. You are making the mistake in thinking the Saints are/were the superior opponent and were/are capable of manhandling other playoff teams despite being handicapped by refs. I guarantee if the calls go against them again then they lose. That’s why there hasbeen only one undefeated team ever. NO TEAM EVER was capable of doing what you ask. The difference between winning and losing is too razor thin at this level.

Sorry, respect your view, but disagree. Putting the blame for a loss solely on the ref’s is a fools folly, not to mention it makes an otherwise knowledgeable person, look like a typical team homer. Big picture, usually many points of a game where a team shoots them in there own foot.

Boston Saint · 01-06-2021, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by bobdog86

Sorry, respect your view, but disagree. Putting the blame for a loss solely on the ref’s is a fools folly, not to mention it makes an otherwise knowledgeable person, look like a typical team homer. Big picture, usually many points of a game where a team shoots them in there own foot.

Respect bob, but I didn’t put blame solely on the refs. I pointed out the Minn Miracle was not on the refs. I’m saying it’s unrealistic to think the answer is simply to beat the other team badly enough that the refs can’t determine the outcome. Newsflash... the Saints are not that much better than Green Bay, KC, etc that they can simply decide to be ahead by two or three touchdowns at the end of the game and therefore take the refs out of it. Thinking you are that good is arrogance and leads to the same kind of flat play that cost the Philly game this year.

bobdog86 · 01-06-2021, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Respect bob, but I didn’t put blame solely on the refs. I pointed out the Minn Miracle was not on the refs. I’m saying it’s unrealistic to think the answer is simply to beat the other team badly enough that the refs can’t determine the outcome. Newsflash... the Saints are not that much better than Green Bay, KC, etc that they can simply decide to be ahead by two or three touchdowns at the end of the game and therefore take the refs out of it. Thinking you are that good is arrogance and leads to the same kind of flat play that cost the Philly game this year.

I said nothing of the teams you mentioned, or any team for that matter. But when you under perform as we have on several instances, then you can’t be too surprised when bad things happen. It’s kinda like marrying a hooker, don’t be shocked if you come home and she’s in bed with your best friend.

gosaints1 · 01-06-2021, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Respect bob, but I didn’t put blame solely on the refs. I pointed out the Minn Miracle was not on the refs. I’m saying it’s unrealistic to think the answer is simply to beat the other team badly enough that the refs can’t determine the outcome. Newsflash... the Saints are not that much better than Green Bay, KC, etc that they can simply decide to be ahead by two or three touchdowns at the end of the game and therefore take the refs out of it. Thinking you are that good is arrogance and leads to the same kind of flat play that cost the Philly game this year.

Newsflash - Both the Chiefs AND the Packers have already beaten the Saints this season, therefore unbiased thinking will consider both of those teams as superior. At least on that one day, lol, who knows what the future may bring. But, Luck is an excuse, not a reason. You don’t have to be ahead of an opposing team by two or three touchdowns to have the game in hand. Control the clock, sustain drives, don’t turn the ball over, etc... and you can easily eliminate the ref’s having an determinate affect on a game. Allowing the game to rely on one single play isn’t indicative of bad/good luck. It’s poor play, it’s poor game management both on and off the field, it’s poor playcalling both on/off the field, etc... Bottom line, it wasn’t bad luck that stopped Anzalone from falling on the ball in the end-zone. It was poor execution resulting in a five point swing, not in our favor. Hard to win tough games when you’re “giving” points away.

01-06-2021, 06:31 PM	#1
bobdog86 Site Donor Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,487	Re: PFF suggests Saints may have the best roster among playoff contenders Originally Posted by Boston Saint Punch them in the throat...and get tossed like Jordan did against KC. You are making the mistake in thinking the Saints are/were the superior opponent and were/are capable of manhandling other playoff teams despite being handicapped by refs. I guarantee if the calls go against them again then they lose. That’s why there hasbeen only one undefeated team ever. NO TEAM EVER was capable of doing what you ask. The difference between winning and losing is too razor thin at this level. Sorry, respect your view, but disagree. Putting the blame for a loss solely on the ref’s is a fools folly, not to mention it makes an otherwise knowledgeable person, look like a typical team homer. Big picture, usually many points of a game where a team shoots them in there own foot. gosaints1 likes this.

01-06-2021, 07:26 PM	#2
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: PFF suggests Saints may have the best roster among playoff contenders Originally Posted by bobdog86 Sorry, respect your view, but disagree. Putting the blame for a loss solely on the ref’s is a fools folly, not to mention it makes an otherwise knowledgeable person, look like a typical team homer. Big picture, usually many points of a game where a team shoots them in there own foot. Respect bob, but I didn’t put blame solely on the refs. I pointed out the Minn Miracle was not on the refs. I’m saying it’s unrealistic to think the answer is simply to beat the other team badly enough that the refs can’t determine the outcome. Newsflash... the Saints are not that much better than Green Bay, KC, etc that they can simply decide to be ahead by two or three touchdowns at the end of the game and therefore take the refs out of it. Thinking you are that good is arrogance and leads to the same kind of flat play that cost the Philly game this year. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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01-06-2021, 07:53 PM	#3
bobdog86 Site Donor Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,487	Re: PFF suggests Saints may have the best roster among playoff contenders Originally Posted by Boston Saint Respect bob, but I didn’t put blame solely on the refs. I pointed out the Minn Miracle was not on the refs. I’m saying it’s unrealistic to think the answer is simply to beat the other team badly enough that the refs can’t determine the outcome. Newsflash... the Saints are not that much better than Green Bay, KC, etc that they can simply decide to be ahead by two or three touchdowns at the end of the game and therefore take the refs out of it. Thinking you are that good is arrogance and leads to the same kind of flat play that cost the Philly game this year. I said nothing of the teams you mentioned, or any team for that matter. But when you under perform as we have on several instances, then you can’t be too surprised when bad things happen. It’s kinda like marrying a hooker, don’t be shocked if you come home and she’s in bed with your best friend. Rugby Saint II and gosaints1 like this.

01-06-2021, 08:04 PM	#4
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: PFF suggests Saints may have the best roster among playoff contenders Originally Posted by Boston Saint Respect bob, but I didn’t put blame solely on the refs. I pointed out the Minn Miracle was not on the refs. I’m saying it’s unrealistic to think the answer is simply to beat the other team badly enough that the refs can’t determine the outcome. Newsflash... the Saints are not that much better than Green Bay, KC, etc that they can simply decide to be ahead by two or three touchdowns at the end of the game and therefore take the refs out of it. Thinking you are that good is arrogance and leads to the same kind of flat play that cost the Philly game this year. Newsflash - Both the Chiefs AND the Packers have already beaten the Saints this season, therefore unbiased thinking will consider both of those teams as superior. At least on that one day, lol, who knows what the future may bring. But, Luck is an excuse, not a reason. You don’t have to be ahead of an opposing team by two or three touchdowns to have the game in hand. Control the clock, sustain drives, don’t turn the ball over, etc... and you can easily eliminate the ref’s having an determinate affect on a game. Allowing the game to rely on one single play isn’t indicative of bad/good luck. It’s poor play, it’s poor game management both on and off the field, it’s poor playcalling both on/off the field, etc... Bottom line, it wasn’t bad luck that stopped Anzalone from falling on the ball in the end-zone. It was poor execution resulting in a five point swing, not in our favor. Hard to win tough games when you’re “giving” points away.
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