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saintsfan1976 06-12-2021 06:49 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 921910)
Have we?

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Perhaps Senio at LG in the playoffs the past couple of years allows Sean to sit an injured, ineffective Peat?


;)
"Ifs & Ands"

jeanpierre 06-12-2021 09:56 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 921912)
No offense to Kelemete, but he left the Saints to be a starter, which is something he wouldn't have been with the Saints.
Not disputing he wanted to be a starter, earn starter money; but how much did he earn vs what we've invested in our sixth man on the offensive line?

and there definitely was an opportunity in the situations I'm referencing...

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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 921912)
And if we are going to play the "what if" game then I'd say the Saints could've added much better guards through the draft and/or free agency since he left.
Lest we forget, Sean and the Mickster spent the money on Peat because the market was barren; so they did what they had to do, but, if you're gonna ask,

Did they wait a season too long to address Peat not working out at guard? were they salvaging a blown first round pick?

Why did they not spend the extra mil and get Zeitler instead of Warford?

How costly is moving up with multiple picks when disposable picks could be used on guards?(see starting guards taken in fourth, fifth, sixth rounds)...

jeanpierre 06-12-2021 10:02 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 921914)
"Ifs & Ands"
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If were not reevaluating to get better, what's the point?

gosaints1 06-12-2021 10:41 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 921926)
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If were not reevaluating to get better, what's the point?
The Saints breed offensive linemen like no other team, that doesn’t always translate to their success with another team though. Senio was one of those players..., Was one of the top guards in the league while here, especially in 2017, but went to Houston and contributed to a pretty crappy offensive line there. A bit of analysis is in order, iyam, from 2017.

“In his career-high 314 pass-blocking snaps at guard with the New Orleans Saints last season, Kelemete allowed just eight total pressures (five hurries, two hits, one sack), which was good for a 98.0 pass-blocking efficiency.”


https://www.pff.com/news/pro-nfls-to...ing-efficiency

A horrible run blocker though, exact opposite of his pass blocking skills. Performed horribly while in Houston though at run and pass blocking. Senio was a quiet performer while in New Orleans. Did his job very well, better than most in the NFL, day in/day out. I liked him then, still do now. Unheralded.

AsylumGuido 06-12-2021 01:13 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 921924)
Not disputing he wanted to be a starter, earn starter money; but how much did he earn vs what we've invested in our sixth man on the offensive line?

and there definitely was an opportunity in the situations I'm referencing...



Lest we forget, Sean and the Mickster spent the money on Peat because the market was barren; so they did what they had to do, but, if you're gonna ask,

Did they wait a season too long to address Peat not working out at guard? were they salvaging a blown first round pick?

Why did they not spend the extra mil and get Zeitler instead of Warford?

How costly is moving up with multiple picks when disposable picks could be used on guards?(see starting guards taken in fourth, fifth, sixth rounds)...
You are assuming Zeitler would have wanted to come here.

FinSaint 06-12-2021 05:04 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
I mean Kelemete was never a world-beater, so it's crazy to cry after him.

Many have fond memories of him, but I also distinctly remember seeing him on his back quite a few times.

He was solid depth, but you can't hang on to those guys if someone offers them starter money/opportunity.

gosaints1 06-12-2021 06:20 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 921942)
I mean Kelemete was never a world-beater, so it's crazy to cry after him.

Many have fond memories of him, but I also distinctly remember seeing him on his back quite a few times.

He was solid depth, but you can't hang on to those guys if someone offers them starter money/opportunity.
Fair point..., but dude was the 4th best pass blocking guard in all of football from a statistical point of view..., when it comes to passing, lol, the year before he left NoLa.

2017 he had 314 pass blocking snaps. Allowing only 8 pressures, 5 hurries, 2 QB hits, and 1 sack. From a pass blocking perspective, you can’t get much better than him.

jeanpierre 06-13-2021 12:16 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 921942)
I mean Kelemete was never a world-beater, so it's crazy to cry after him.

Many have fond memories of him, but I also distinctly remember seeing him on his back quite a few times.

He was solid depth, but you can't hang on to those guys if someone offers them starter money/opportunity.
The sixth man has always been strategically important to the Saints offensive line under Sean Payton, especially with Mr. Glass track record, and now Peat...

So when budgeting the salary slot alottments, that slot will have had more importance to the current Saints roster than other teams...

jeanpierre 06-13-2021 12:17 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 921932)
You are assuming Zeitler would have wanted to come here.
Then there's the whole some agents, agencies and Saints Front Office agreeable, disagreeable dispositions...

dizzle88 06-13-2021 03:30 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 921942)
I mean Kelemete was never a world-beater, so it's crazy to cry after him.

Many have fond memories of him, but I also distinctly remember seeing him on his back quite a few times.

He was solid depth, but you can't hang on to those guys if someone offers them starter money/opportunity.
You aren't wrong, but Payton and Loomis are paying Peat 54M to be that guy laying on the turf / getting QB's injured.


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