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this is a discussion within the NFL Community Forum; Originally Posted by saintfan I had the same thought, but Switzer won as I recall... True, but Switzer was handed a team with numerous HOF players. Donald is the only one who will probably land in that group. Gurley might ...

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Old 02-09-2019, 04:40 PM   #11
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Re: Sean McVay: I got out-coached

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I had the same thought, but Switzer won as I recall...


True, but Switzer was handed a team with numerous HOF players. Donald is the only one who will probably land in that group. Gurley might have the talent, but he has a long way to go.
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Old 02-11-2019, 07:14 AM   #12
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Re: Sean McVay: I got out-coached

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I still say McVay is nothing more than a guy handed a deck full of aces.

Reminds me a little when Barry Switzer took over in Dallas.
I agree in a way. The Rams are no where near as talented as that mini-dynasty Dallas team, but it's a worthy comparison.

The Rams were terrible for such an extended period of time they used to always be high up in the draft. When Jeff Fisher came there, they got that boat load of draft picks from the Redskins trading everything to get RGIII.

I think they finally lucked into a decent roster due to all the high draft picks during their awful years and Jeff Fisher kept them at 7-9 so they kept getting good position in the draft. As time went on, they finally started hitting and got some decent players out of those draft picks.


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True, but Switzer was handed a team with numerous HOF players. Donald is the only one who will probably land in that group. Gurley might have the talent, but he has a long way to go.
Dallas winning that last SB was the greatest thing to ever happen for the NFL in the long run.

It "proved" to Jerry in his mind that he knows more about football than any coach out there. Because he got that ring with Barry Switzer, he has felt ever since that he could truly win a SB with any coach. This is the sole reason no coach in Dallas since then has been allowed to do their job without him interfering and meddling with the team.

Had they not gotten that last ring with Switzer at the helm, Jerry probably figures it out that he really isn't all that smart with running a team. Dallas has had some great talent in the past 13 years despite being in the purgatory of mediocrity. They would've made it back to the SB by now if not for Jerry meddling with the team (check the Bill Parcells years in the 2000s. Parcells constructed a pretty good team, only for Jerry to screw it up). Jerry would rather have a puppet head coach like Garrett, than someone who could really do things.

Dallas currently has a stacked young defense that has tons of great potential to be a dominant unit in the future, but they'll never reach their potential as long as Jason Garrett is the head coach. Jerry will screw it up (and is already doing so by keeping the clapper at head coach), just like he did in the 2000s with that team Parcells built.
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Old 02-19-2019, 06:38 AM   #13
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This article caught my eye.

Checkdowns: Sean McVay’s Super Bowl Blunder Before The Two Minute Warning

McVay called a time out and allowed NE a bit of time to draw a serious run play that gashed them and pretty much won the game for them.

Even had the Pats punted though, the Rams would've had a very slim chance of going down the field and tying it with how awful Goff played. If they hang on to those two INTs earlier and get the fumble or if the Pats offense had actually showed up, this would've been a blow out. This game really never felt close even when it was tied. It reminded me so much of SB 50 where the game was 10-13 most of the day, yet felt like it was 24-0 with how bad Denver was beating Carolina down that day.

This is the polar opposite of when New England DIDN'T call a timeout at the goal line vs Seattle. Calling that timeout would've gave them more time to think about it and they probably run Lynch like everyone brings up.

McVay in all of his genius called that time out and then Burkhead gave them the kill shot with his big run for a first down.

Like I have said before; I would hate to be a fan of any of the teams who recently hired a young assistant from McVay. He isn't the future of the NFL. This is going to be a one trick pony and a failed revolution of coaches. Defense still wins championships.
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Re: Sean McVay: I got out-coached

It's also coming to light that Sean McVay could be a liar as well ... not listing Todd Gurley on those injury reports. Losing a draft pick wouldn't hurt my feelings but I doubt Goddell would impose such a fine.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...n-rams-thought
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Re: Sean McVay: I got out-coached

Don't drink the Kool-Aid applies to coaches as well. I think McVay started believing all of the press reports about how brilliant he was.
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Re: Sean McVay: I got out-coached

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It's also coming to light that Sean McVay could be a liar as well ... not listing Todd Gurley on those injury reports. Losing a draft pick wouldn't hurt my feelings but I doubt Goddell would impose such a fine.

C.J. Anderson: Gurley 'more hurt' than Rams thought - NFL.com
Well, McVay don't coach the Saints or Patriots, so I doubt he'll lose a draft pick and face a fine.

The funniest thing for me is reading the Rams forum and how every topic about the Pats or Saints is about how "they cheat! Spygate! 2001! Bountygate! 2009!" yet after the Cowboys playoff game, McVay and his team was so smug to admit that they knew everything the Cowboys defense was going to be doing cause Jason Garrett's team didn't think twice about using the same hand signals at the LOS that they had used all year.

With us, it's always "karma" for 2009 with Bountygate cause ya know, Minnesota totally wouldn't have got their asses kicked badly by the Colts in the SB had they got there. A team who had 5 total turnovers in the NFCCG (would've been 7 or 8 if the Saints get those other Adrian Peterson fumbles) just totally would've went into that SB and beat Manning's Colts. LOL.

That's really what has driven me nuts all these years about the Bountygate whining over 2009. We've been hearing this for nearly a decade now how the Vikings were robbed. If we take the Vikings performance at face value from the NFCCG, I am pretty sure the Colts would've walked all over them in the SB. They had 5 turnovers and it could've been much more. I've never believed that Minnesota would've beat the Colts team.
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The only you can say about McVay is he was smart enough to get out of Washington. But then again he was dumb enough to stay there for six years.
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Old 02-27-2019, 01:25 PM   #18
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The only you can say about McVay is he was smart enough to get out of Washington. But then again he was dumb enough to stay there for six years.
I ran some data on Washington last year and was shocked at how truly awful they have been since 2002 when the divisional realignment occurred. They have been one of the worst teams in the league since then (you could argue this goes back to the 90's, but I used 2002 strictly cause that's when the divisions changed)

It amazes me that people still defend Dan Synder. it's truly mind boggling. My favorite excuse is the "he inherited a mess". That mess he inherited had a gift handed to them by us, courtesy of Ditka.

Go back to 1999 when we traded our entire draft away to Washington for Rickey Williams. They had more draft capital than any other team in the league and yet, they went on to accomplish nothing with it.

Washington has made the playoffs a total of 3 times after that trade.

Since then; the Saints have made the playoffs 8 times and won a SB in that span.

The Redskins are ranked 31st overall in win percentage against divisional opponents. Only team that ranks worse than them is the Browns.

I remember back in my youth, Washington was one of the premier teams in the NFL. They were considered a class organization and before the 49ers got their 4th ring in the 80's, Washington was dubbed the "team of the decade" after 1987 due to reaching 4 SBs and winning 3 of them. The 1983 team that lost the SB was one of the best offenses in NFL history prior to the modern era and still have some impressive statistics today. If anyone would've told me that when I got older, Washington would be a huge joke in the NFL, I would've never believed them.
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