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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by D_it_up2 I'm hoping for a complete and total freefall to 2-14 and take Matt Leinart first in the draft! Amen. 3-4 Different sports writers openly wondered when Brooks was done here. Deuce's injury may have sealed this ...

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Old 10-10-2005, 07:36 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by D_it_up2
I'm hoping for a complete and total freefall to 2-14 and take Matt Leinart first in the draft!
Amen. 3-4 Different sports writers openly wondered when Brooks was done here. Deuce's injury may have sealed this team's fate.
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Old 10-10-2005, 07:46 PM   #12
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Keep looking. Don Banks, Peter King, and Clark Judge. I am sure Jason Whitlock will have something soon when he writes his column. In week one he called AB the most fraudulent QB in the NFL. I posted that too. Keep looking. There's also a thread about AB's awesome 64 passer rating. The only regular starters he is better than is Joey Harrington, Kyle Orton, and JP Losman. Awesome company.
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Old 10-10-2005, 08:03 PM   #13
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Once again we probably won't end up with the first pick but if we do Matt Leinart might pull an Eli and say he won't play for the Saints. Brooks almost has no trade value now so I have a feeling he will be back next year (or is next year the year his option kicks in? I can't remember.) especially if we get a new coach (Brooks will probably get one more shot unless Haslett comes back and puts all the blame on Brooks and cuts him) because many peolple say he has talent but is too careless (and possibily not smart enough) to be a leader. Never once have I heard Brooks say it was his fault or he made a bad decision. I still have a gut feeling we will finish 7-9 because now Haslett and Staff will really game plan instead of just planing to give the ball to Deuce up the middle.
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Old 10-10-2005, 08:03 PM   #14
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... dare I bring leadership into this discussion???

... is there one player in the o-line who'll put his body on the line for Brooks?

... we had one such guy once...
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Old 10-10-2005, 08:06 PM   #15
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Is it just me or is this new slimed-down offense way worse than last year. My high school offense was better than what I've seen this year and we sucked?
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Old 10-10-2005, 08:08 PM   #16
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only saint fans can handle a kick in the kahunas like sunday with a follow up of perhaps the best player permanently injured. geaux saints fans, you are a helluva a bunch. even with the dark cloud that has come my fear is still the same... another 7-9 to 9-7 season. just enough, ya know... the hurricane displacement, deuce out, blah, blah, blah... we still keep haz, brooks n company for another schizophrenic season... AAAAGGGHHH!!

the nfl is still very parity wacky. the goofball up and down performance of this regime could still make the playoffs. i would take a miracle of not just eeking in the playoffs and not having immediate elimination. if not that though, puhleeze oh st. lombardi let it be a top 5 draft pick at least. something that would rid us of a beancounter instead of a football guy as gm, something that would clear out a good enough guy but who all too obviously now is not of head coaching material. would it be too much to move smiling butterfingers before the trade deadline? some desperate team with an injured qb might give us something for him. nah, that is too much. just cut him next year. see if he can get half of the 6.5mil on his '06 contract then.

it hurts following this team. 38 years and i am still here though. maybe i'll dredge up my overhaul plan from posts this spring.

they will probably revise the blue laws in baton rouge for drinking in tiger stadium. anyone wanna get sloshed and laugh at this show with me?
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Old 10-10-2005, 08:33 PM   #17
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It is true that there is one thing that Haz does really well: save his job.
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Old 10-10-2005, 08:45 PM   #18
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Whodi, back to our earlier discussion, for which I thank you (as usual) for your thoughtful reply.

I guess, upon consideration, I can't really respond to your claims, so I'll acquiesce. It seems to me that I was looking for a single premise that would make the transition from the facts I listed to the conclusion that "we suck", rather than "merely sucked on Sunday." Your suggestion is that there are a number of different premises that lead to the conclusion that "we suck", but they need to be considered as a whole.

Here is a pair of examples:
1. We got beaten by a bad team.
Therefore,
2. We suck.

That argument is invalid.

1. We got beaten by a bad team.
2. Our QB is streaky, sometimes we commit too many turnovers, sometimes our playcalling blows, our run blocking is not strong, Jason Craft blows, our LBs are not playmakers, annon.
Therefore,
3. We suck.

This isn't strictly speaking valid, but it is a much better argument - and I believe it is the one you were suggesting.

I suppose the only out for an optimist here would be this: since premise 2 is a long list of things, it could be that if a few of them change, we will cease sucking. Alternatively, since premise 2 isn't a cohesive rule, it is difficult to predict from it that we will suck next week. That is, it isn't a unifying explanation of any kind. That isn't a criticism, since I more or less agree with you, it is just that without something like a unifying (or single) reason, it is hard to make bets on whether or not it will continue in the future.

Apologies that that was kind of long and dull. More or less, I was just thinking out loud - and I said I'd get back to you.

"... I was beating them with my eyes the whole game..." - Aaron Brooks :cool:
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Old 10-10-2005, 09:38 PM   #19
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Nutshell Kool, under Haslett's watch, this team has gotten steadily worse. Players that we all think should be good, and dominant, aren't. Players who should not be starting anymore, are. And the mistakes just compound. There is no steadfast variable as to when it will happen, it just does. One game we have 4 penalties and no turnovers, the next we have 11 penalties and give away 28 points on turnovers. There is no rhyme or reason to it, and there is no quantifying measure that will put rhyme or reason to it. Sometimes you just have to go with, "That's just the way it is." Anywho, thanks for getting back to me.
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Old 10-11-2005, 12:15 AM   #20
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Whodi,

I guess, more or less, I agree with you. I just can't buy the "that's just the way it is" premise - it may be irrational on my part, but that sort of line rarely makes for good predictions (even if they are sometimes accurate).
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