Drew, Leinart..well... gimme Leinart...

jrmllb · 03-12-2006, 01:35 PM

;yeah sign brees, draft Dbrick, Hawk, or trade down to get more picks

FrenzyFan · 03-12-2006, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

Originally Posted by mighty12

Here is my deal.........Picking up Brees gives us a solid QB, who I will say ONE LAST TIME has been cleared to practice in MAY!!!!!!!!, then with Witherspoon coming in to talk that would give us a solid LB. This gives us the opportunity to use our picks on other positions that are easier to transition into the NFL. That would also include postions like LB, OT, CB, DE, DT, RB, and with Horn playing his final seasons WR. This team is FAR from a playoff team. Drafting Leinart WILL NOT get us there, but being very productive in FA will get us there.

... that's great that he's been cleared to throw in MAY even though right now it is MARCH...

... he has NOT been CLEARED to throw in MAY... it is EXPECTED that he'll be ready to throw in MAY, which means that whether he can ACTUALLY throw in MAY or NOT is not CERTAIN... you don't CLEAR a QB to throw 2 months before his injury is EXPECTED to HEAL... matter of fact, come MAY, the doctors will RE-EVALUATE the shoulder to make sure he is READY to throw, and THEN he will be either cleared or NOT...

..picking up Brees gives us NOTHING until it is proven he can throw effectively again...

Thank you for posting this, TR. I was getting ready to ask for a link to where Brees has been cleared to throw, since it simply doesn't exist. Brees' doctor is saying good things about his recovery, and I believe him.

I also believe that even if his shoulder is good enough to throw this season, he will not be 100%. Its extremely unlikely that an injury like this is surgically repaired, rehabbed, and back to 100% in so short a time. I had a much less severe shoulder injury that required a surgical fix, so I know a little something about this. I am not a millionaire and have to work at a normal job, so my rehab and recovery are nothing like Brees'. He'll have the best doctors, the best physical therapists, and 24/7 to work on it. Even so, his injury is much more severe than mine was - so I figure its got to be close. My shoulder has NEVER recovered to 100%

Thus, I have my fears and doubts about paying the kind of guaranteed money that Brees is asking for. The offer from the Chargers, which guaranteed him almost 10 million dollars IF HE TOOK 75% OF THE STARTING SNAPS THIS SEASON, is an AWESOME deal but only if he takes the snaps. This leads me to a host of questions:

Brees' wants to stay in SD, or so he says. With that kind of deal, why isn't he staying? If he's so confident in his recovery and his doctor has "cleared" (haha) him to throw in May, why not take the deal? Not many QBs in this league make 10 million a year. What does DREW BREES know that we don't? Why is this deal not a good one?

You know, I see this kind of thing every off season on this board. There are some fans that seem to blind themselves to reality and pretend that every move we make in FA and the draft is the right one. Year in and year out, I read the arguments about why our off-season was so great. Sometimes, I even buy into it, but any other fan that expresses any doubt gets dogged out and labeled not a "true fan", whatever the hell that means.

I personally don't care whether you are one or the other, but I wish the "true fans" would stop the running the "doubters" down just because they have a different opinion than theirs.

TheDeuce · 03-12-2006, 07:04 PM

... that's great that he's been cleared to throw in MAY even though right now it is MARCH...

... he has NOT been CLEARED to throw in MAY... it is EXPECTED that he'll be ready to throw in MAY, which means that whether he can ACTUALLY throw in MAY or NOT is not CERTAIN... you don't CLEAR a QB to throw 2 months before his injury is EXPECTED to HEAL... matter of fact, come MAY, the doctors will RE-EVALUATE the shoulder to make sure he is READY to throw, and THEN he will be either cleared or NOT...

..picking up Brees gives us NOTHING until it is proven he can throw effectively again...

True T-R, true. Just another thing that has been made up.

jrmllb · 03-13-2006, 08:02 AM

I dont pretend to know this is the right move...I just dont think it is an exceedingly bad one...Come on if we are going to sign a FA QB to start who whould it be? McCown, Rosenfels, Kitna...No offense but come on, I wnat to sign a winner if I am going to sign a FA qb to start...Flat out Brees is probably the best one on the market, I say probably because you never know how these things are going to turn out...

Tobias-Reiper · 03-13-2006, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by jrmllb

...Flat out Brees is probably the best one on the market, I say probably because you never know how these things are going to turn out...

That's a valid point, Jr...my personal opinion, though, I don''t really see Kitna that far away from Brees, truth be told... he was decent on a very bad Bengals team before Carson Palmer took over... some people would say he didn't show anything against the Steelers, but that's just one game, against ba VERY good defense coming in cold from the bench...

... but that is not really the point I am trying to make - the point I'm trying to make is that Brees cannot throw know, and although the prognosis says he should be ready to throw in May, the reality is that no one knows, and he is NOT worth $10,000,000 a year, just because 2 years ago the Chargers were 12-4 and Brees beat out a rookie QB for his job..

03-12-2006, 01:35 PM	#11
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03-12-2006, 06:05 PM	#12
FrenzyFan 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 406	Re: RE: Drew, Leinart..well... gimme Leinart... Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper Originally Posted by mighty12 Here is my deal.........Picking up Brees gives us a solid QB, who I will say ONE LAST TIME has been cleared to practice in MAY!!!!!!!!, then with Witherspoon coming in to talk that would give us a solid LB. This gives us the opportunity to use our picks on other positions that are easier to transition into the NFL. That would also include postions like LB, OT, CB, DE, DT, RB, and with Horn playing his final seasons WR. This team is FAR from a playoff team. Drafting Leinart WILL NOT get us there, but being very productive in FA will get us there. ... that's great that he's been cleared to throw in MAY even though right now it is MARCH... ... he has NOT been CLEARED to throw in MAY... it is EXPECTED that he'll be ready to throw in MAY, which means that whether he can ACTUALLY throw in MAY or NOT is not CERTAIN... you don't CLEAR a QB to throw 2 months before his injury is EXPECTED to HEAL... matter of fact, come MAY, the doctors will RE-EVALUATE the shoulder to make sure he is READY to throw, and THEN he will be either cleared or NOT... ..picking up Brees gives us NOTHING until it is proven he can throw effectively again... Thank you for posting this, TR. I was getting ready to ask for a link to where Brees has been cleared to throw, since it simply doesn't exist. Brees' doctor is saying good things about his recovery, and I believe him. I also believe that even if his shoulder is good enough to throw this season, he will not be 100%. Its extremely unlikely that an injury like this is surgically repaired, rehabbed, and back to 100% in so short a time. I had a much less severe shoulder injury that required a surgical fix, so I know a little something about this. I am not a millionaire and have to work at a normal job, so my rehab and recovery are nothing like Brees'. He'll have the best doctors, the best physical therapists, and 24/7 to work on it. Even so, his injury is much more severe than mine was - so I figure its got to be close. My shoulder has NEVER recovered to 100% Thus, I have my fears and doubts about paying the kind of guaranteed money that Brees is asking for. The offer from the Chargers, which guaranteed him almost 10 million dollars IF HE TOOK 75% OF THE STARTING SNAPS THIS SEASON, is an AWESOME deal but only if he takes the snaps. This leads me to a host of questions: Brees' wants to stay in SD, or so he says. With that kind of deal, why isn't he staying? If he's so confident in his recovery and his doctor has "cleared" (haha) him to throw in May, why not take the deal? Not many QBs in this league make 10 million a year. What does DREW BREES know that we don't? Why is this deal not a good one? You know, I see this kind of thing every off season on this board. There are some fans that seem to blind themselves to reality and pretend that every move we make in FA and the draft is the right one. Year in and year out, I read the arguments about why our off-season was so great. Sometimes, I even buy into it, but any other fan that expresses any doubt gets dogged out and labeled not a "true fan", whatever the hell that means. I personally don't care whether you are one or the other, but I wish the "true fans" would stop the running the "doubters" down just because they have a different opinion than theirs.
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03-12-2006, 07:04 PM	#13
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	RE: Re: RE: Drew, Leinart..well... gimme Leinart... ... that's great that he's been cleared to throw in MAY even though right now it is MARCH... ... he has NOT been CLEARED to throw in MAY... it is EXPECTED that he'll be ready to throw in MAY, which means that whether he can ACTUALLY throw in MAY or NOT is not CERTAIN... you don't CLEAR a QB to throw 2 months before his injury is EXPECTED to HEAL... matter of fact, come MAY, the doctors will RE-EVALUATE the shoulder to make sure he is READY to throw, and THEN he will be either cleared or NOT... ..picking up Brees gives us NOTHING until it is proven he can throw effectively again... True T-R, true. Just another thing that has been made up.
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03-13-2006, 08:02 AM	#14
jrmllb 500th Post Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Alexandria, Louisiana Posts: 665	RE: Re: RE: Drew, Leinart..well... gimme Leinart... I dont pretend to know this is the right move...I just dont think it is an exceedingly bad one...Come on if we are going to sign a FA QB to start who whould it be? McCown, Rosenfels, Kitna...No offense but come on, I wnat to sign a winner if I am going to sign a FA qb to start...Flat out Brees is probably the best one on the market, I say probably because you never know how these things are going to turn out...

03-13-2006, 08:32 AM	#15
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: RE: Re: RE: Drew, Leinart..well... gimme Leinart... Originally Posted by jrmllb ...Flat out Brees is probably the best one on the market, I say probably because you never know how these things are going to turn out... That's a valid point, Jr...my personal opinion, though, I don''t really see Kitna that far away from Brees, truth be told... he was decent on a very bad Bengals team before Carson Palmer took over... some people would say he didn't show anything against the Steelers, but that's just one game, against ba VERY good defense coming in cold from the bench... ... but that is not really the point I am trying to make - the point I'm trying to make is that Brees cannot throw know, and although the prognosis says he should be ready to throw in May, the reality is that no one knows, and he is NOT worth $10,000,000 a year, just because 2 years ago the Chargers were 12-4 and Brees beat out a rookie QB for his job..
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