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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Current Saint Roster with Analysis WR – Horn, Stallworth, Henderson, Pool, Lyman, Moore, Thomas, Davis TE – Cronwell, Hilton, Meire, Campbell, Lawrie OT – Brown, Stichcomb, Gandy, Archibald OG – Holland, Mayberry, Setterstone, Hoffmann C – Nesbit, Goodwinn, Leford QB ...

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Old 03-28-2006, 10:40 AM   #1
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Current Saints Roster with Analysis

Current Saint Roster with Analysis

WR – Horn, Stallworth, Henderson, Pool, Lyman, Moore, Thomas, Davis
TE – Cronwell, Hilton, Meire, Campbell, Lawrie
OT – Brown, Stichcomb, Gandy, Archibald
OG – Holland, Mayberry, Setterstone, Hoffmann
C – Nesbit, Goodwinn, Leford
QB – Brees, Bouman, McPherson
RB – McAllister, Bennett, Stecker, McAfee, Joseph
FB – Karney, Schurman

DE – Smith, Grant, Verdon, Bryant
DT – Young, Sullivan, Whitehead, Leslie
OLB – Fujita, Allen, Bockwaldt, Simmons, Melton, Rabe
ILB – Watson, Fincher
CB – McKenzie, F. Thomas, Craft, J. Thomas, Booker
S – Bellamy, Smith, Bullocks, Stoutmire, Gleason

K – Carney
P – Berger
LS – Houser

Possible Resigns – WR Hakim, TE Hall, OG Jacox, WR Lewis, MLB McKinnon, S Mitchell, LB Slaughter, RB Smith,

Weakest Position – Needs to be addressed in draft
OT – Gandy, old and not the answer, Brown, outstanding, Stichcomb, isn’t proven and coming off injury, Archibald, what has he done?

2th Weakest Position - Not enough quality players
CB – Mckenzie, good player, F. Thomas, older and lost his edge, Craft, too small and doesn’t tackle well. FS Smith could move to CB but that will weaken the FS position and will he be an upgrade there over FS?

3rd Weakest Position – Must stop the run
DT – Young, no penetration or run support, Sullivan, weight issues and not over powering, Whitehead, gets pushed around, Leslie, unproven

4nd Weakest Position – just one injury away average.
WR – Horn older and injury prone, Stallworth, hasn’t proven he can take over #1 spot, Henderson, hasn’t proven he can take over #2 or #3 spot, Lyman, will chop off head in bizarre shaving accident in training camp. KR Lewis, remains unsigned but not the answer and Hakim remains unsigned and injury prone.

The OG position is weak too because RFA Holland remains unsigned and Mayberry is old and injury prone which is why Philly let him go.

All of the other positions look like we have enough players to go to war with.

Looking at the above roster, we have to draft OT Ferguson… no doubt about it. DT Nagata would also make great since because we need a run stuffer that can occupy both the C and OG which will free the MLB to make plays. We need to draft a CB and sign another in FA. Finally, if Horn has another injured season, don’t look for the other guys to pick it up. We need another experienced WR in FA and no doubt we will draft one too. MLB, we need to resign McKinnon ASAP. This guy played pretty good last year.

I don’t think we will draft Hawk because he plays the OLB and we have enough on the roster. It makes more since to draft DE Williams or DT Nagata than Hawk at this current point of FA.

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Old 03-28-2006, 11:08 AM   #2
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RE: Current Saints Roster with Analysis

Draft Picks - Trade down with Jets and get their 2 1st round picks.

1st #1 - OT Fergerson or DT Nagata although he has had 2 knee injuries in college in 3 years
1st #2 - OC Nick Mangold - 6'4" 290
2nd #1 - OG Robust Perry - 6'4"
Pros: A beast of a man, he dominates the interior line. Max has the ideal size and strength of an NFL offensive guard. Also, he repeatedly went up against other NFL talent level DTs playing in the SEC.
Cons: Could play more aggressively at times but has no major flaws.
Overall: The top offensive guard in this years draft. Unfortunately for Max guard is ranked as less of a priority than tackle. This is the only reason that he may slip into the top several selections of the second round.

With the exception of Nagata (who is DT beast), none of these guys have major injury questions. I hate drafting players that have injury questions because you never know how long they will last. If you draft a player high that has started 3-4 years without an injury, you will no be getting guys that bulked up too much for their bone structure to support correctly.

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Old 03-28-2006, 11:10 AM   #3
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I noticed that you didn't have MLB as one of our weaknesses. I like McKinnon, but he's not the answer. I'd like to get Ferguson, Mangold, and then D'Qwell Jackson after we trade with the Jets.
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Love to get Jackson too but I don't think he will be there. With the draft I show, I think we will get 4 future all pro OL men (including J. Brown) which will allow us to control the ball thus taking the pressure off the defense. Imaging
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Originally Posted by foreverfan
Love to get Jackson too but I don't think he will be there. With the draft I show, I think we will get 4 future all pro OL men (including J. Brown) which will allow us to control the ball thus taking the pressure off the defense. Imaging
4 future pro OL you say? How much do you think THAT is gonna cost, and has any team been able to do that since the salary cap era started? Then, at what point do we address defense, in next year's draft? Late round picks hoping we pluck a gem? If the current NFL has shown us ANYTHING, it's you don't need the biggest, baddest O-line on the block, but you DO need a defense that can stop somebody every now and then. We should spend far more picks on D this year than anywhere else. We are decent enough on the line with the signing of Goodwin to make things happen, but we aren't going anywhere if we can't get stops when we need them.
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Old 03-28-2006, 11:30 AM   #6
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Good post Whodi. I've actually been re-thinking the best draft day scenarios. This is another one I've come up with:

Trade down to the #5-7 spot, getting at least an additional second and third round pick.
With the first round pick, select AJ Hawk.
With the first second round pick, if he's available, select Mangold. If he's not there, take one of the highly rated CBs left, maybe Cromartie.
WIth the other second round pick, take D'Qwell Jackson.
With the third rounder, look to either the DLine or the OLine
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To quote Lombardi.... 4 yards in a pile of dust. Controlling the football wins as many games as a great defense. I need to correct the 2nd round pick... his name is Max Jean Gilles. Plus an OG in the 2nd round won't cost you that much.

Pros: A beast of a man, he dominates the interior line. Max has the ideal size and strength of an NFL offensive guard. Also, he repeatedly went up against other NFL talent level DTs playing in the SEC.
Cons: Could play more aggressively at times but has no major flaws.
Overall: The top offensive guard in this years draft. Unfortunately for Max guard is ranked as less of a priority than tackle. This is the only reason that he may slip into the top several selections of the second round.

What would you rather draft, guys that can be allpro or guys that fill a need? What happens if Mayberry of Holland goes down? We will need a center. Protect Brees and open holes for Deuce and watch the offense shine expecially down the road. We'll have the guys for 3 years. Get FAs on defense.

Still your point is well taken saintswhodi.

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Duece... Cromartie has too many injury concerns... don't know when he will get on the field. Stud player but be another Lymann... Has the ability thought...

Pros: He has the size - 6'3, 200+, speed - under 4.4, and strength you are looking for at the corner position. Prototypical CB with Deion Sanders cover skills and speed, however, he can come up and play run and actually tackle.
Cons: The obvious injury is a concern to most. Just to show though, he's still a possible 1st rounder having basically not played last year. If he can come back at 100%, he could be a top corner in the league in a couple years.
Overall: Sky is the limit on his potential, but the burning question remains, is he going to be 100%? If so, any double digit pick would be a steal. We'll find out post-combine, but as a potential late 1st rounder, he may be a missing key to a very good team.

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Originally Posted by TheDeuce
Good post Whodi. I've actually been re-thinking the best draft day scenarios. This is another one I've come up with:

Trade down to the #5-7 spot, getting at least an additional second and third round pick.
With the first round pick, select AJ Hawk.
With the first second round pick, if he's available, select Mangold. If he's not there, take one of the highly rated CBs left, maybe Cromartie.
WIth the other second round pick, take D'Qwell Jackson.
With the third rounder, look to either the DLine or the OLine
See, I am ALL over that. 5-7 would be perfect, cause of the picks we would gain, and the player we would get for our defense. I'd even be fine with Mangold with the next pick. But these O-line, then O-line again scenarios kill me. Has anyone watched our defense the last few years? Our MAIN problems have been coaching, QB, defense, O-line. We took care of coaching finally, took care of QB finally, grabbed Jamaal last year for the O-line, and picked up this FA Goodwin, who seems decent, and have tweaked the defense somewhat, but we only have one true star, Smith. McKenzie is good, but not great, Dwight is good, but not great, Will Smith is great. Get the Hawk at LB, and we have another GREAT player on defense.
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To quote Lombardi.... 4 yards in a pile of dust. Controlling the football wins as many games as a great defense.
Actually, you can't control the ball unless your D allows you to have the lead. Or you could, and field a boring, low scoring offense with a D that can't always back you up with that. Don't think that would be too pretty.
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