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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Um, The Bucs, Giants and Panthers ALL have DTs that take pressure off their ends. The Saints do not. So just picking a "running mate" is not a sufficient discussion of the lack of talent along our D-line. I think ...

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Old 04-18-2006, 02:12 PM   #11
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Um, The Bucs, Giants and Panthers ALL have DTs that take pressure off their ends. The Saints do not. So just picking a "running mate" is not a sufficient discussion of the lack of talent along our D-line. I think the DTs allowed for them to be able to still put up numbers, and especially the players that played alongside them. NOONE gave a crap about our DTs. And I still don't see where Peppers, Rice or Strahan were ever asked to play DT, do you? SO disagree all you like, the facts stand for themselves. Also, how many times did you see Grant play last year? Just curious.

As far as all the what ifs about this year, what if we still don't have a DT worth a damn? What if we don't draft a LB and this is the best we're gonna get? What if we don't draft a corner and that's the best we're gonna get? What if we draft Mario Williams and Grant is back in a rotation and asked to play DT again? Is that enough what ifs?
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Ok, well lets try another angle since you are deadset on Charles Grant being your hero. Since you have seen him so extensively throughout his career, why did he have such a dropoff in production last year from his previous years? Dont you dare say its because the rest of the team sucked because it sucked the year before that too. He has played with the D line and the same LB's the last two years. So why did his sack total plummet to what it was? The fact of the matter is he is too inconsistent to be considered a top 10 DE which was my point from the beginning. So, since i cant use any other players in the NFL as a comparison, i will compare Charles Grant in 2004 to Charles Grant in 2005. Now, explain to me the reason for the fall off.
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Old 04-18-2006, 04:53 PM   #13
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Since you have seen him so extensively throughout his career,

I take this to mean you haven't, and thus are making an NFL.com stats opinion of Grant's play. That's enough for me. Have a good day. If you wanna know more, there is already a thread discussing Charles Grant very extensively. Have a peek for it. But there is no way I am gonna try to convince a guy who hasn't even seen Grant play too often of anything. No point at all in doing so.
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Old 04-18-2006, 04:56 PM   #14
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he never said he didnt see him play... im sure u can come up with a better excuse for not making an arguement then that....
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Old 04-18-2006, 06:04 PM   #15
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Originally Posted by pakowitz
he never said he didnt see him play... im sure u can come up with a better excuse for not making an arguement then that....
Surprise surprise, the guy who said Charles Rogers is better than Stallworth. A person who has watched Grant play would not say "since YOU have seen him play so extensively." If I am making a cooment on a player, I am making personal observations from what I have SEEN, not from NFL.com. Nice try. I also pointed him to the previous discussion about Grant that covered the same ground. Don't you have a poor argument to make elsewhere?
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Just think... if we trade away Grant, how many double teams will Will Smith see next year? I can see it now... Will Smith has less than 5 sacks and then we're going to talk about trading him away too. I'd like to see us try to win now, not draft and starting a team full of rookies. Grant is a solid player... and we don't NEED another DE. We have more important positions to address... why fix something that's not broke?
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[quote="saintswhodi"]Since you have seen him so extensively throughout his career,

I take this to mean you haven't, and thus are making an NFL.com stats opinion of Grant's play. That's enough for me. Have a good day. quote]


I guess i will take this to mean as you know when to fold 'em. Look, I haven't missed a Saints game since the last year of the Ditka era. I have seen Grant play every game he has played on the proffesional level. I like Charles Grant, i said that before, but he isnt a top 10 DE and you know it. You lost this arguement...you backed out like a 12 year old girl...its ok. And dont accuse me of just pulling up stats when the only logical thing you have come up with is "Dont get mad at me, SCOUTS INC has him rated number 7. Get mad at them." B-O-O H-O-O. You lose. Its ok. Move on..but just admit it.
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thank you sir... may i have another...
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and yes... i said rogers is a better reciever then stallworth b/c i do believe that had he not broken his collarbone 2 years in a row then he would have the #s to prove it... but now they have roy n mike williams so there arent that many balls to go around... and lets face it... harrington wasnt that great of a qb during his lions tenure... and dont tell me you havent been watchin stallworth for the past 3 years... he has disappointed me and i would hope everyone else with his play... i mean... everyone knows joe horn is our #1 guy... so that means he is getting all the double teams... so stallworth is gettin the 2nd best corner every sunday.. and he hasnt put up hardly any descent stats... if he is that great then he should have at least 85-90 catches going up against a teams 2nd best corner every week....

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and yes... i said rogers is a better reciever then stallworth b/c i do believe that had he not broken his collarbone 2 years in a row then he would have the #s to prove it... but now they have roy n mike williams so there arent that many balls to go around... and lets face it... harrington wasnt that great of a qb during his lions tenure... and dont tell me you havent been watchin stallworth for the past 3 years... he has disappointed me and i would hope everyone else with his play... i mean... everyone knows joe horn is our #1 guy... so that means he is getting all the double teams... so stallworth is gettin the 2nd best corner every sunday.. and he hasnt put up hardly any descent stats... if he is that great then he should have at least 85-90 catches going up against a teams 2nd best corner every week....
In Stallworth's defense, everyone knows Aaron Brooks only looked for Joe Horn when he was on the field. And don't say he looked at them both, 'cause Brooks wasn't smart enough to look at more than one receiver per play. LOL

I must agree though that Stallworth showed falshes of stardom, but never really was that consistent. He did however face alot of team's #1 corners last year while Horn was out.
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