OLB's - A sad day

FinSaint · 10-02-2012, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

Curious, what are your reasons for preferring the 4-3?

Personal preference... I like the front D-line line-up more in the base 4-3, it's just more logical and ordered to me than the 3-4 line-up.

Also, I like the responsibilities of the LBs in the 4-3 more than in the 3-4 where the line gets rather blurred between OLBs and DEs.

Both can definitely work well in the NFL regardless of what conference or division a team plays in, but you must have the right personnel to run either one - not sure if the Saints have the personnel to ran either one successfully, but they're certainly closer with the base 4-3.

blackangold · 10-02-2012, 03:21 PM

I am a fan of the 5-2.. always have been but you never see it used. All I know is going to a 3-4 or 5-2 is better than being the worst D in the league.

Mardigras9 · 10-02-2012, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

I brought up a 3-4 before and was laughed out of the forums for wanting to switch from something that was not working and too complicated for this year to something that made sense.

As for as for 5 down and two LB... That's the opposite direction I think we should go in. Here is my reasoning... Putting Shanle on the line is the equivalent of having only 4 down linemen and making Shanle one of two LB means you have 1 LB. If we are not going to stop the run at the line and cant get pressure we need 4 LBs and at least we can keep them to 2-3 yards per carry while being able to cover the dink/dunk passes.

Agreed, they can get as much pressure with three as they are now with four. Let's move toward damage control.

FinSaint · 10-02-2012, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by Mardigras9

Agreed, they can get as much pressure with three as they are now with four. Let's move toward damage control.

I say, stick with Spags' scheme, because that'll lead to success eventually. It might seem like a lost cause right now, but I certainly wouldn't just throw away all the work they've done in the offseason and leading up to this point for the sake of just doing something different in hopes of it working out.

Also, I don't think the Saints have the personnel to run a 3-4 successfully at the moment. So it would be better to continue with this base 4-3 and give bigger roles and more playing time to those players that Spags and the FO see as worth keeping around after this season, so that they'll keep learning the system and be better prepared for next season while hopefully improving as this season goes on.

Then bring in better players during the offseason via the draft and the free agency to complement the existing roster - players that fit Spags' scheme.

SaintFanQ · 10-02-2012, 04:01 PM

Why did we get rid of Jo-lonn Dunbar?

I used to think he was a really good player for us!

Sorry if this has been asked already on the forum somewhere and I missed it!

FinSaint · 10-02-2012, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanQ

Why did we get rid of Jo-lonn Dunbar?

I used to think he was a really good player for us!

Sorry if this has been asked already on the forum somewhere and I missed it!

Well, there hasn't been any official announcement about it - which there never really is - but I'd venture a guess that after Spags was done with the player evaluations, Dunbar didn't fit into his scheme.

Also, they were bringing in two MLBs in Lofton and Hawthorne (MLB is his natural position), so they probably thought that they didn't need another Mike.

IMO, Dunbar wasn't as good of a player as many here seem to think, and I wasn't at all upset when they decided not to re-sign him - I've said as much before on this topic.

jeanpierre · 10-02-2012, 05:17 PM

The 5-2 is basically the Bears 46 Defense...

They had an abundance of effective pass rushers that could be in the opposition's backfield in less than three seconds...

burningmetal · 10-02-2012, 05:45 PM

That figures.

We sign a couple good players and they all get hurt (though Lofton is at least able to play through his injury). Then the would be backups are either suspended or changed positions. I was high on Wilson as a speed rushing OLB, but they move him to end, which I thought could work out, however he has barely been on the field. I get that they are both raw, but Wilson and Gallette need to be on the field, getting after the QB. What could we possibly have to lose by putting in some guys who can actually get up the field?

10-02-2012, 11:39 AM	#31
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,955	Re: OLB's - A sad day Originally Posted by x626xBlack Curious, what are your reasons for preferring the 4-3? Personal preference... I like the front D-line line-up more in the base 4-3, it's just more logical and ordered to me than the 3-4 line-up. Also, I like the responsibilities of the LBs in the 4-3 more than in the 3-4 where the line gets rather blurred between OLBs and DEs. Both can definitely work well in the NFL regardless of what conference or division a team plays in, but you must have the right personnel to run either one - not sure if the Saints have the personnel to ran either one successfully, but they're certainly closer with the base 4-3.
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10-02-2012, 03:21 PM	#32
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: OLB's - A sad day I am a fan of the 5-2.. always have been but you never see it used. All I know is going to a 3-4 or 5-2 is better than being the worst D in the league.

10-02-2012, 03:46 PM	#33
Mardigras9 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Land Mass between LA and AL Posts: 4,375	Re: OLB's - A sad day Originally Posted by x626xBlack I brought up a 3-4 before and was laughed out of the forums for wanting to switch from something that was not working and too complicated for this year to something that made sense. As for as for 5 down and two LB... That's the opposite direction I think we should go in. Here is my reasoning... Putting Shanle on the line is the equivalent of having only 4 down linemen and making Shanle one of two LB means you have 1 LB. If we are not going to stop the run at the line and cant get pressure we need 4 LBs and at least we can keep them to 2-3 yards per carry while being able to cover the dink/dunk passes. Agreed, they can get as much pressure with three as they are now with four. Let's move toward damage control.

10-02-2012, 04:00 PM	#34
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,955	Re: OLB's - A sad day Originally Posted by Mardigras9 Agreed, they can get as much pressure with three as they are now with four. Let's move toward damage control. I say, stick with Spags' scheme, because that'll lead to success eventually. It might seem like a lost cause right now, but I certainly wouldn't just throw away all the work they've done in the offseason and leading up to this point for the sake of just doing something different in hopes of it working out. Also, I don't think the Saints have the personnel to run a 3-4 successfully at the moment. So it would be better to continue with this base 4-3 and give bigger roles and more playing time to those players that Spags and the FO see as worth keeping around after this season, so that they'll keep learning the system and be better prepared for next season while hopefully improving as this season goes on. Then bring in better players during the offseason via the draft and the free agency to complement the existing roster - players that fit Spags' scheme.
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10-02-2012, 04:01 PM	#35
SaintFanQ Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Leicester, England Posts: 790	Re: OLB's - A sad day Why did we get rid of Jo-lonn Dunbar? I used to think he was a really good player for us! Sorry if this has been asked already on the forum somewhere and I missed it!

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10-02-2012, 04:44 PM	#36
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,955	Re: OLB's - A sad day Originally Posted by SaintFanQ Why did we get rid of Jo-lonn Dunbar? I used to think he was a really good player for us! Sorry if this has been asked already on the forum somewhere and I missed it! Well, there hasn't been any official announcement about it - which there never really is - but I'd venture a guess that after Spags was done with the player evaluations, Dunbar didn't fit into his scheme. Also, they were bringing in two MLBs in Lofton and Hawthorne (MLB is his natural position), so they probably thought that they didn't need another Mike. IMO, Dunbar wasn't as good of a player as many here seem to think, and I wasn't at all upset when they decided not to re-sign him - I've said as much before on this topic.
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10-02-2012, 05:17 PM	#37
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: OLB's - A sad day The 5-2 is basically the Bears 46 Defense... They had an abundance of effective pass rushers that could be in the opposition's backfield in less than three seconds...

10-02-2012, 05:45 PM	#38
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,905 Blog Entries: 3	Re: OLB's - A sad day That figures. We sign a couple good players and they all get hurt (though Lofton is at least able to play through his injury). Then the would be backups are either suspended or changed positions. I was high on Wilson as a speed rushing OLB, but they move him to end, which I thought could work out, however he has barely been on the field. I get that they are both raw, but Wilson and Gallette need to be on the field, getting after the QB. What could we possibly have to lose by putting in some guys who can actually get up the field?
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