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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by x626xBlack To do it right and not have a year like this you almost have to start gathering a few players BEFORE the year the NEW DC shows up. Well, then we better get busy finding new ...

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Old 11-01-2012, 11:39 AM   #11
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Originally Posted by x626xBlack View Post
To do it right and not have a year like this you almost have to start gathering a few players BEFORE the year the NEW DC shows up.
Well, then we better get busy finding new players.
It's hard to do when your GM is suspended until after the trade dead line. Screw you Roger!
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Old 11-01-2012, 11:44 AM   #12
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Well, then we better get busy finding new players.
It's hard to do when your GM is suspended until after the trade dead line. Screw you Roger!
My thoughts were more along the lines of bringing in Spags players 2-3, before GW left.
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Originally Posted by x626xBlack View Post
My thoughts were more along the lines of bringing in Spags players 2-3, before GW left.
Just yankin' your chain...............
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Old 11-01-2012, 11:48 AM   #14
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Originally Posted by x626xBlack View Post
My thoughts were more along the lines of bringing in Spags players 2-3, before GW left.

True, but they didn't even know Spags would be available a year ago.
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No, we cannot expect the offense to score 35pts a game, but at some point the offense has to keep the opposing defense on the field long enough to give that terrible defense a breather. Too often the defense makes a couple of great stops and they are back on the field before they get to take their helmets off.

Again, not trying to minimize the level of the D's suckiness, but at the same time since the O knows how bad they are they need to make a conscious effort towards lending them a hand with better play-calling and execution.
Yup. The 3 and out's are killing us. Just brutal.

Coach Kromer said something, a while ago, that made me realize...basically the nature of this Saints offense is that, historically the last few years, it's either:

3 and out, or THEY GET POINTS.

There's practically no middle ground, or in between.

And if you go back and look at box scores and drive charts and play-by-play type stuff, (throw out the sucky game at Denver, because it reeeeally sucked) it actually IS kind of true about this offense. As sort of a general thumbnail rule type thing -- a lot of the time, especially compared to other NFL teams -- this offense tends to either sputter immediately in three or four downs and punt, or else they GO ALL THE WAY like some unstoppable juggernaut of points, the greatest offense of all time. Feast or famine.

And incidentally, that's part of why Morstead is so awesome statistically -- he is frequently punting after a 3 and out, in his own end of the field, so he boooooms it -- he hardly ever has to angle or "coffin corner" it, or aim at a specific point (he is very good at all that stuff, too, by the way).

It's getting that FIRST first down, or sometimes the second first down -- the first four plays, that's the problem. Once they get that, it's typically off to the races, and NOBODY can stop them except themselves.

And I feel like it's been getting worse and worse since 2010. For some reason I remember the SF game in 2010, as being the first time I was freaking out over the 3 and out's.
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Old 11-01-2012, 01:55 PM   #16
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Jenkins is starting to look a lot like Tebucky Jones out there. I like Harper. Lofton is a monster. Our corners cover, but no picks. I'm sure they would all look like superstars if we could get pressure with the D line OR stuff the run with the D line.
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Originally Posted by FinSaint View Post
True, but they didn't even know Spags would be available a year ago.
Sounds like pisspoor planning to me LOL.

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Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo View Post
Jenkins is starting to look a lot like Tebucky Jones out there. I like Harper. Lofton is a monster. Our corners cover, but no picks. I'm sure they would all look like superstars if we could get pressure with the D line OR stuff the run with the D line.
I like Harper Aswell, people may get on him alot of the time but I know two things

He defends TE's well and improves every season
People forget how many plays he made for us in GW's D, in terms of forced fumbles, 4th down tackles and sacks etc

People can't really say Harper can't cover when none of our D can and Harper breaks a couple of passes up every week

On another note, our corners are pathetic
Corey white can't play man or zone
I was high on j.patrick when he came in but he got schooled aswel
Greer had a couple bad games

Make akiem hicks the starter
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Re: The problems with Saints defense run deep

One thing I do agree with in the above is that the offense isn't what it used to be. I've stated it before and will continue to state it, the defense is giving up "unanswered" points. No, we cannot expect the offense to score 35pts a game, but at some point the offense has to keep the opposing defense on the field long enough to give that terrible defense a breather. Too often the defense makes a couple of great stops and they are back on the field before they get to take their helmets off.

Again, not trying to minimize the level of the D's suckiness, but at the same time since the O knows how bad they are they need to make a conscious effort towards lending them a hand with better play-calling and execution. It disheartening to hear weekly how bad you are when the other side of the ball aint that great either, but you rarely hear about them.

I'm saying though![/QUOTE]

The truth hurts, the offense sucks, but not as bad as the defense which is beyond horrible.
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Old 11-01-2012, 04:51 PM   #20
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Re: The problems with Saints defense run deep

Originally Posted by x626xBlack View Post
Sounds like pisspoor planning to me LOL.

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Yeah, but I'm not sure if GW's future with the team was settled before that embarrassing playoff loss to the 49ers, so that could've just been the final straw that broke the camels (i.e. SP's) back.

Therefore, the front office might not have been able to anticipate a change of guards at the DC position, which is why they didn't make drastic personnel changes during last season.
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