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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; ... it's important to remember that players will rise and fall based on how they perform at the combine later this week, and they'll likely continue to do so all the way up to draft day. 1) Luke Joeckel, OL, ...

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Old 02-19-2013, 08:59 AM   #1
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Gil Brant's pre-combine draft rankings

... it's important to remember that players will rise and fall based on how they perform at the combine later this week, and they'll likely continue to do so all the way up to draft day.

1) Luke Joeckel, OL, Texas A&M
This long-armed three-year player should be a top talent in the NFL for quite some time. Joeckel reminds me of Cleveland Browns offensive tackle Joe Thomas.

2) Bjoern Werner, DL, Florida State
Werner, a German native, is a very, very good pass rusher. He's one of these guys who is highly motivated, someone who never takes a play off; in that way, he reminds me of Jared Allen. (And I'm not the only one.)


3) Chance Warmack, OL, Alabama
Warmack is very good and will be a factor in the NFL for many years; he should have a Larry Allen-type of career. However, as guards aren't usually drafted in the top 10, Warmack likely will be picked in the middle of the first round. He was an even better college player than the great Steve Hutchinson, who was picked 17th overall by the Seattle Seahawks in 2001.

4) Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia
More time will be spent on Smith than on any other player in the 2013 NFL Draft. When I watched him from the sideline during West Virginia's game against Texas, Smith was quick and on the money, though he did overthrow some long balls. If he enters the league with a Russell Wilson-type work ethic, Smith will be OK.

5) Star Lotulelei, DL, Utah
Lotulelei reminds me of Baltimore Ravens veteran Haloti Ngata, who also grew up in Salt Lake City. Lotulelei can collapse the pocket with quickness and power. He needs to dominate every play for four quarters.

6) Damontre Moore, DE, Texas A&M
Moore can play with his hand on the ground in a 4-3 scheme or in space in a 3-4. Oklahoma tackle Lane Johnson did a very good job against Moore in the Cotton Bowl.

7) Eric Fisher, OL, Central Michigan
The long-armed, quick-footed Fisher should play for quite some time in the NFL at a Pro Bowl-level. This youngster has the potential for lots of growth in the future.

8) Dee Milliner, CB, Alabama
The big (6-feet-3/4, 200 pounds) corner might not have great speed, but he makes up for it with his physical play and ball skills. He likely learned some useful tricks of the trade from coach Nick Saban.

9) Jarvis Jones, LB, Georgia
The competitive Jones, who led college football with 14.5 sacks in 2012, never lets up; he plays like fellow Bulldog Justin Houston, who notched 10 sacks for the Kansas City Chiefs last season. Jones transferred from USC when he failed to get a clean bill of health following a neck injury.

10) Dion Jordan, DE, Oregon
The speedy, quick and athletic Jordan -- a former tight end -- can rush or drop into coverage. He could add weight, however, and his health has been something of a question mark.

11) Ezekiel Ansah, DE, BYU
Ansah, who came to BYU from Ghana as a track athlete, joined the football team in 2010 and became an outstanding starter. He had a poor week of practice ahead of the Senior Bowl, but he wound up being named the defensive player of the game. He should be a very good pass-rusher.

12) Sharrif Floyd, DT, Florida
Floyd, a strong, three-year player with lots of upside, is a playmaker. He's a lot like Fletcher Cox, the 12th overall pick in 2012 who played well for the Philadelphia Eagles as a rookie.

13) Sheldon Richardson, DT, Missouri
An outstanding athlete for a defensive tackle, Richardson makes me think of a young Warren Sapp coming out of college. He has just one year of major football under his belt, and he needs to play harder on every down, but he has the ability to be good.

14) Lane Johnson, OT, Oklahoma
The former high school quarterback shifted to tight end in junior college before moving to the offensive line in 2011. Johnson really stood out in the Cotton Bowl with the way he handled Texas A&M's Damontre Moore.

15) Barkevious Mingo, DE, LSU
Mingo is a better athlete than he is a football player at this point, and he needs work when it comes to defending the run. He is, however, a very good pass rusher, and everyone is looking for very good pass rushers.

16) Keenan Allen, WR, Cal
Allen caught lots of passes at Cal even though he didn't have much of a quarterback throwing to him, and he's strong and quick for the position. A knee injury caused him to miss time in 2012; teams will need to check on his health.

17) Cordarrelle Patterson, WR, Tennessee
He's a size-speed player who catches well and spent some time at running back. Patterson, who spent two years in junior college before arriving at Tennessee, has just one season of experience playing major college football.

18) Kenny Vaccaro, S, Texas
I think he's every bit as good as Mark Barron, who was picked seventh overall by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in 2012 and went on to have a very good rookie year. The tough Vaccaro is athletic enough to cover the slot receiver; he never slows down.

19) Alec Ogletree, LB, Georgia
Ogletree, who started his career as a safety, runs well and has good instincts; he's a very good athlete who can play inside or outside. Players from Georgia tend to do well in the NFL. Teams will have to do more background work on Ogletree, however, given that he was recently charged with a DUI.

20) Manti Te'o, LB, Notre Dame
Te'o did all of the things that a linebacker is expected to do, up until his poor performance in the BCS Championship Game. He took on blockers, he blitzed, he played in space. He also collected seven interceptions and 113 tackles. The "girlfriend hoax" story, of course, seems to have overshadowed all of that.

21) Johnathan Hankins, DL, Ohio State
The powerful Hankins has size, ability and good range, though he also seemed to have fatigue issues at times. The three-year college player will get a lot better with age.

22) Jonathan Cooper, OL, North Carolina
Cooper is athletic, but the four-year starter needs to get stronger. He doesn't look as big as some NFL guards.

23) Zach Ertz, TE, Stanford
Ertz, who has good hands, size and strength, has the potential to create matchup problems for NFL defenses. He is a better receiver than he is a blocker at this point.

24) D.J. Fluker, OT, Alabama
The long-armed Fluker has the power to dominate defenders. He projects as a right tackle only, as he lacks the feet for playing left tackle.

25) Tyler Eifert, TE, Notre Dame
Eifert is very good at making contested catches -- he has more career receptions (134) than any other tight end in Notre Dame history -- and he blocks better than one might think.

26) DeAndre Hopkins, WR, Clemson
27) Kevin Minter, LB, LSU
28) Xavier Rhodes, DB, Florida State
29) Eddie Lacy, RB, Alabama
30) John Jenkins, DL, Georgia
31) Matt Barkley, QB, USC
32) Johnthan Banks, DB, Mississippi State
33) Datone Jones, DL, UCLA
34) Sam Montgomery, DE, LSU
35) Margus Hunt, DL, SMU
36) EJ Manuel, QB, Florida State
37) Terrance Williams, WR, Baylor
38) Tavon Austin, WR, West Virginia
39) Sylvester Williams, DL, North Carolina
40) Desmond Trufant, CB, Washington

41) Kawann Short, DT, Purdue
42) Jesse Williams, DL, Alabama
43) Quinton Patton, WR, Louisiana Tech
44) Alex Okafor, DE, Texas
45) Larry Warford, OG, Kentucky
46) Travis Frederick, OL, Wisconsin
47) Montee Ball, RB, Wisconsin
48) Justin Hunter, WR, Tennessee
49) Khaseem Greene, LB, Rutgers
50) Matt Elam, S, Florida

51) Robert Woods, WR, USC
52) Eric Reid, S, LSU
53) Arthur Brown, LB, Kansas State
54) Menelik Watson, OT, Florida State
55) Vance McDonald, WR, Rice
56) Joseph Randle, RB, Oklahoma State
57) Landry Jones, QB, Oklahoma
58) Marquise Goodwin, WR, Texas
59) Mike Glennon, QB, N.C. State
60) Giovani Bernard, RB, North Carolina

61) Barrett Jones, OL, Alabama
62) Andre Ellington, RB, Clemson
63) Cornellius Carradine, DE, Florida State
64) Ryan Nassib, QB, Syracuse
65) Johnathan Cyprien, S, Florida International
66) Dallas Thomas, OT, Tennessee
67) Gavin Escobar, TE, San Diego State
68) Kyle Long, OG, Oregon
69) Travis Kelce, TE, Cincinnati
70) Brandon Williams, DT, Missouri Southern State
For the rest of the list of players I know nothing about...

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Re: Gil Brant's pre-combine draft rankings

Lane Johnson, OT, Oklahoma ?

after that trade down

as for my favs

end up with these two and i would be cool with the draft

40) Desmond Trufant, CB, Washington

41) Kawann Short, DT, Purdue

More moving up boards due to skill set than hype

32) Johnthan Banks, DB, Mississippi State

drops due to what? not playing in the senior bowl? i do not get it

44) Alex Okafor, DE, Texas
Stills stumps me when a player is solid in all aspects of the game actually hurts his stock

ok as i look at the rest i scratch my head. this list is top loaded with hype and high ceiling players.

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When we lost our last game I started studying the draft. I do believe that DT is where it all starts on defense(in a 3-4) however, it all starts with QB on offense. Having said that protecting Drew is the number one priority in my opinion. If we go LT in the draft then we could sign the player to a five or even six year rookie contract at a reasonable rate.
I have been pushing for DT or OLB'er but I have come to the conclusion that the best investment is to go LT in the first round.


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Re: Gil Brant's pre-combine draft rankings

Unfortunately, it's not a very strong year for LT's ... and we're gonna need one. Then again, do you really want a rookie watching over Drew's $100 million backside?

I'm more comfortable with a rookie DT, but it's frankly not a strong year there either ... and the bust potential always seems higher.

I'm a "best player available" guy when it comes to the draft, but it would sure be nice if that BPA is a stud in the trenches!
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I'm more comfortable with a rookie DT, but it's frankly not a strong year there either ... and the bust potential always seems higher.
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I don't follow the draft nearly as much as others here but I remember reading numerous times that this is a great year for DT's.

Am I mistaken?
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I'm admittedly not the deepest draft-follower either, but I try to keep up.

DT is certainly better than LT this year, but there are precious few safe bets at either position. Joeckel is a LT lock, but the dropoff is huge after him and the pool isn't very deep.

DT is much deeper without a doubt - a lot of similar talent across the board - so if you consider it that way, I guess it is a pretty good year there. Just not a lot of star quality, I guess.
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Dt;s, OLB's and safetys are strong in this years draft I read somewhere. If I remember right DT,s were the deepest.
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I'm admittedly not the deepest draft-follower either, but I try to keep up.

DT is certainly better than LT this year, but there are precious few safe bets at either position. Joeckel is a LT lock, but the dropoff is huge after him and the pool isn't very deep.

DT is much deeper without a doubt - a lot of similar talent across the board - so if you consider it that way, I guess it is a pretty good year there. Just not a lot of star quality, I guess.
So basically not as many 5-Star DT's as usual, but freakishly more 4-Star DT's than usual?
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I think that's what I was stumbling toward, yes ...

I'm also a little concerned that there aren't so many big, space-eating 3-4 NT's as we might like to see. There's some very good (unfortunately smallish) DL talent out there, just not sure how much good it does us.
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As much as it hurts because I feel like we could do so much better I believe if anyone signs jake long bushrod will be signed long term. The saint will draft a ot, but it won't be early....... When we find a trading partner and trade out I think we end up with Datone Jones DE ucla...... Unless someone great falls I think we will be trading out of 15
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