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Old 02-27-2013, 12:08 AM   #11
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" WHAT THE SAINTS SHOULD DO IN FREE AGENCY"
1. Trade Roman Harper to Titans "i know Greg Williams would want him". Maybe we get a 3rd rd pick settle up to any cause your adding by subtracting here to begin with cause what his cap number is."save 5 mil on books and 3 or 4 in cap space.
2.SEE FIRST IF YOU CAN GET THE VALUE FOR MARK INGRAM
and if you can get a 1st rd or a 2 and a 3 for him if so cause of a weak skilled position draft trade him. NEED PICKS MORE WE HAVE A GLUT OF BACKS
3 NOW EXTEND CHRIS IVORY i believe he's more impactfull than Ingram and probably cheaper.,
4.Sign some Good Hard Nose Defenders
"NOT OVERRATED HIGH DOLLAR FA" Abroyo Franklin or David Hawthorne i hope he can shake back.
5 DRAFT SUREFIRE STARTERS
doesn't matter really as long as u address pass rush, nose tackle, safety and corner.
NOW USE THE EXTRA PICKS ON BEST VALUE AVAILABLE TE, or TACKLE and WR
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Old 02-27-2013, 01:28 AM   #12
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Re: Breaking Down Saints Defensive Talent

i think he pegged stone hands harper to a tee

excellent ss with below average coverage skills
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Re: Breaking Down Saints Defensive Talent

Out of the main cut-candidate trio, I would most like to see Harper continue with the team, but all probably still have something to offer to the team - not just enough to justify their salaries at the moment.

I think Chamberlain is one player that most are undervaluing - and for a reason since he didn't see any actual playing time last season because of his injury in the preseason - but I think he can be a real asset for the Saints since he has the skill-set to play virtually any of the LB positions other than the rushing OLB. Placing him next to someone like Lofton in the middle would be intriguing since he used to be a safety in college. And I've actually wondered if he could replace Harper as the SS - he has almost 40 lbs on Harper, but he definitely has better coverage skills and their on-the-field speeds are probably about the same at this point in their careers. Will Herring is another guy who might prove to be worth more than most (including myself) fans are giving him credit for. He had those injury problems the first year he was with the Saints, and it's really difficult to evaluate his play based on the limited playing time he saw with Spags.

My point is that since the Saints will undoubtedly be using a hybrid base scheme of both 3-4 and 4-3 - versatile (and fairly affordable) players like Chamberlain and Herring might prove to be real assets going forward.

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Old 02-27-2013, 06:15 AM   #14
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Harper went to the pro bowl twice and under Gregg Williams was an upper tier safety.

IAQ is promising, but he hasn't shown squat compared to what Roman Harper has shown.
This again? Two pro bowls because of sacks. Not because of how well he actually performed at his position. It was a joke that he was ever named a pro bowler. To each his own opinion (even if I completely disagree), but I won't be sad when they cut him. I'm sure he's a nice guy, but man, it's time to shed some weight.
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Old 02-27-2013, 07:08 AM   #15
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I quite hopeful that with a couple of additions the defence could become a middle of the pack(18/25) next year.


Front 3
Bunkley
Hicks
Jordan
Johnson

I'd like either a veteran or rookie NT brought in to compete with Bunkley.I would be opposed to trading him for player/picks either.Somebody like Knighton/Franklin in FA as backup/rotation,or a rookie.Or both and trade Bunkley,though I think the change to 3-4 suits him.

FA DT
Samie Lee Hill
Alan Branch
Ricky Jean-Francois

Need back up for Hicks/Jordan.Smith might be a decent option if he vastly reduces his numbers $14ml is way to high and unless its a third of that number its too high IMO.

LB
Lofton
Chamberlain
Hawthorne
Wilson
Galette
Herring
Vilma

Not much above average in that group for me(apart from Lofton).No trade value either but all should hopefully be better fits in the new 3-4.Big seasons for Galette and Wilsom. Like Smith Vilma's cap number need reduced significantly for him to stay.Wouldn't want to loose him as a leader but the money can be better spent on a healthy/younger player who is a better fit for a 3-4.

I'd like Casillas re-signed for depth.
OLB needed in the draft or FA if cap can be reduced.Im not sure about Ansah in the draft as a OLB,seems a better fit as a DE to me.I don't think we have the time to develop him either.Galette can play as a pure pass rusher and bringing Ansah in as a situational rusher doesn't make sense with so much se needed.Not sure if Jordan or Mingo will make it to 15. I still like Ogletree in the draft buf the off field issues are worrying. The Giants are reportedly looking for a ILB and trading back would be good if Jordan and Mi go are gone.
Can't say I keen on Anthony Spencer in FA.He never really did much prior to last season and I don't like paying big money on one season production.
Kruger would be great but I don't see how the money could be made available.

FA Options

OLB
Philip Wheeler
Conor Barwin
Daryl Smith
Nick Barnett

ILB
Darnell Elerbe
Larry Grant


Secondary
CB
White
Mack
Greer
Robinson

S
Harper
Malcolm
Bush
IA-Q

Really don't know what to think of these lot.Last year was appalling though partly die to the lack of a pass rush.
Harpers cap numbers must drop like Vilma and Smiths.If he does stay hopefully he can get back to rushing the passer again as he is terrible in coverage.Wouldn't be unhappy trading him for a 4th rounder.
Luckily there is some good depth in the backfield for this years draft.

I'd love us to get a pair of big nasty corners.

FA vets
Grimes
DRC
Jammer

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Old 02-27-2013, 09:11 AM   #16
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Harper went due to his blitzing ability... he has never been a cover safety of any kind, you know this. i would be singing Harper's praises if he were 30lbs heavier and playing LB, but in reality he is nothing more than a liability in coverage.
+1. The guy sucks at his position. Time to cut bait, and move on.
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As an in the box SS, he does not suck at his position... in fact, he's above average at it. Now if you make him into a coverage safety and take away his position of strength, well then you have an average player.

It's like making a zone corner play bump and run. Asking a run stuffing NT to rush the passer. A scat back to run inbetween tackles. A pocket quarterback to start running. I'm sure you can get the picture.

While Harper may not fit the scheme anymore, he does not suck. There's a difference.
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As an in the box SS, he does not suck at his position... in fact, he's above average at it. Now if you make him into a coverage safety and take away his position of strength, well then you have an average player.

It's like making a zone corner play bump and run. Asking a run stuffing NT to rush the passer. A scat back to run inbetween tackles. A pocket quarterback to start running. I'm sure you can get the picture.

While Harper may not fit the scheme anymore, he does not suck. There's a difference.
Yes he does.
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Old 02-27-2013, 12:25 PM   #20
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We lack star power on our defense.We need the equivalent of a Rickey Jackson type player. Hopefully we get one in this years draft
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