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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Seems the great majority of the members here want to trade back. I have a few questions for you that you need to answer for that to even be possible. I understand the desire. How do you plan on getting ...

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Old 04-12-2013, 07:32 AM   #1
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The Trade Back

Seems the great majority of the members here want to trade back. I have a few questions for you that you need to answer for that to even be possible. I understand the desire. How do you plan on getting this done? Every one wants a second rounder but how do you get it? Chris Ivory has been out there under a Second Round tender for over a month and no bites.

1. What/Who do we have that someone else wants? (Be specific)

2. What/Who is in the draft that a team needs to trade up for? (Be specific)

3. Why do the Saints value latter round picks more than other teams? This is important because all deals favor the party with leverage. Knowing the want/need of both parties is huge leverage.

Present a scenario where you would offer another team a trade that they would accept for a 1st round pick.

It is fine to want something to happen but there needs to be some thought into why any team would do that.

In most drafts the top 5 are an easy guess. This years draft is not littered with 1st round talent.
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Old 04-12-2013, 07:36 AM   #2
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Re: The Trade Back

1. SS or RB seem to be the only players we could deal that could draw interest - although minimal..

2. A day one starter. Outside of a few LT's I don't see a player we should reach for.

3. I think you're spot on with this. It's been Payton's philosophy since arriving in New Orleans. Leverage and motivation.
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Old 04-12-2013, 07:46 AM   #3
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1. Which is my point about not entertaining the trade down for a second round pick. We have nothing with offering that wouldn't hurt us more than help us.
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Old 04-12-2013, 07:46 AM   #4
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Re: The Trade Back

There have already been some solid possibilities brought up by JP and others in the "Big Board" thread, and I can't really come up with better scenarios than those.
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Old 04-12-2013, 07:49 AM   #5
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Re: The Trade Back

This is not hard to answer.


First of all, I'm not so sure the majority of people WANT to trade back, necessarily. It's a matter of IF we do not have a player at 15 who fits a need enough to warrant selecting him there, then we would like to see a trade back.

But on to the question.

You seem to be making the assumption that we would have to trade a player. The reason they call it trading back is self explanatory... You trade your first pick. Obviously there is no guarantee that we'd find a trade partner. But while trading down doesn't happen terribly often, I have a feeling it's very rare that someone doesn't inquire about trading up or down at almost every spot in the top 15-20 selections. It just depends on how much a team is willing to offer you to trade back.

Also, you are asking us to tell you what a team needs behind us that they would be willing to trade up for. That is a question that cannot be answered until we know who goes where, in the first place. You also don't know how high a team might value a certain player, whom the rest of us might not believe is a first rounder. We've all seen our share of draft blunders by different organizations.

So then, IF a team sees a player that they really want, and they are afraid that he might not fall past the next couple of teams, they will ask the Saints about trading up. The assumption is that they would offer a 2nd rounder (and obviously we would take their spot in the first round) because of how high our pick is. We may offer a third or fourth rounder to further entice getting that 2nd rounder.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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"The Trade Back"

me gusta... makes it sound like "The Catch" ... or in our case..."The Onside's Kick".

I think we will have to wait a bit more, maybe even until draft day, and see how it all unfolds. Still many moves by teams in play.
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Old 04-12-2013, 08:11 AM   #7
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I think we'd have to package a couple items together to get a mid to low 2nd. Its a trade-up market this year. I think the majority of teams would like to trade down a few spots and pick up anotrher 2nd/3rd rounder.

Barring a trade of a player we don't want to lose (Sproles/Moore/PT) its gonna have to be our 1st plus someone like Ivory to get a 2nd rounder.

We could probably trade our 1st for a late 1st plus a late 2nd.
The old value chart is probably off 1/2 round this year, but this is what it typically would get us. This year, I'd drop the trade at least 10 picks...

Trade down around 5 spots = gain a mid 3rd rounder (now a 4th)
Trade down around 10 spots = gain a late 2nd rounder (now early 3rd)
Trade down around 15 spots = gain a mid 2nd rounder (now a late 2nd)
Trade down around 20 spots = gain an early 2nd rounder (now a mid 2nd)

Throw in Ivory and it probably jumps up a round.
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Old 04-12-2013, 08:14 AM   #8
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We can trade our first round pick, 15 overall and valued at 1050 points, to the 49ers for their first round pick, 31st overall and valued at 600 points, their second second round pick, 61st overall and valued at 292 points, and their second third round pick, 93rd overall and valued at 128 points. 1050 for 1020.

I think the 49ers will take this deal because: 1 It's fair and 2 they want Tavon Austin.

Pairing Tavon Austin with Michael Crabtree, Anquan Boldin, AJ Jenkins, Colin Kaepernick, that running game and that defense makes the the clear favorite, in my opinion, to make it out of the NFC.

1(31) DL Jesse Williams
2(61) OLB Jamie Collins (NFL Network said Jarvis Jones could get pushed out of the first, I'd take him if still available)
3(75) OL Barrett Jones
3(93) S Shawn Williams
4(109) OT Jordan Mills (Maybe go after a QB of the future with Landry Jones)
5(144) NT TJ Barnes
6(183) CB Tharold Simon (I know he might have a problem with work ethic, but this low I wouldn't be able to pass)

With the moves we've managed to make in free agency, even with limited cap space, and a good draft class (see above), I think we can give the 49ers a run for their money.
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I think the 49ers will take this deal because: 1 It's fair and 2 they want Tavon Austin.
Even if this were true, Austin has a shot of being gone by the time we pick. Buffalo and Miami are teams that could take him.
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Old 04-12-2013, 08:31 AM   #10
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There are certainly no shortage of possibilities, fellas. I'm definitely not worried about the ability to trade down, it it becomes necessary. I'm just curious as to how the Saints will play it. They have been impossible to predict.
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