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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Serious question: does anybody KNOW for sure if Sean Payton still "scripts" the first 10 to 14 plays of the game, beforehand?? Because if he does, that was a pretty ridiculous, extremely pass-happy script. Pierre got 4 yards on one ...

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Old 11-04-2013, 10:12 AM   #21
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Serious question: does anybody KNOW for sure if Sean Payton still "scripts" the first 10 to 14 plays of the game, beforehand?? Because if he does, that was a pretty ridiculous, extremely pass-happy script. Pierre got 4 yards on one of them, but why abandon it?

I've often felt that the "pass happy" or "abandoning the run" thing comes from, Payton scripts those first dozen or so plays, and if he does not get the results he wants from the scripted runs, if it doesn't get huge chunks of yardage, he gets impatient, that "OCD" part of his personality kicks in and takes over, and he starts passing the ball all over the place. That's what I always felt from 2006-2009 when the whole "pass happy" thing was at its biggest argument.

The first quarter, you had Pierre for 4. Ingram for 2. Pierre for 0. And 20 passes. Sheez Louise.

Also wondering, if maybe Sproles being out, caused Payton to get out the Sharpie and scratch a bunch of planned running plays off the playsheet, that required Sproles to work, either as running back or decoy. It could have been some specific schemes and plays where "next man up" really didn't hold true because there was NO next man up, who could do the specific job of Sproles. I dunno.
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Serious question: does anybody KNOW for sure if Sean Payton still "scripts" the first 10 to 14 plays of the game, beforehand?? Because if he does, that was a pretty ridiculous, extremely pass-happy script. Pierre got 4 yards on one of them, but why abandon it?

I've often felt that the "pass happy" or "abandoning the run" thing comes from, Payton scripts those first dozen or so plays, and if he does not get the results he wants from the scripted runs, if it doesn't get huge chunks of yardage, he gets impatient, that "OCD" part of his personality kicks in and takes over, and he starts passing the ball all over the place. That's what I always felt from 2006-2009 when the whole "pass happy" thing was at its biggest argument.

The first quarter, you had Pierre for 4. Ingram for 2. Pierre for 0. And 20 passes. Sheez Louise.

Also wondering, if maybe Sproles being out, caused Payton to get out the Sharpie and scratch a bunch of planned running plays off the playsheet, that required Sproles to work, either as running back or decoy. It could have been some specific schemes and plays where "next man up" really didn't hold true because there was NO next man up, who could do the specific job of Sproles. I dunno.
Yeah, next man up is Cadet, but he hardly makes an appearance. Why scrap the game plan and go with full throttle passing? Even Sproles is more receiver than runningback. I'm with you on the confusion of the play-calls. I think SP is the final decision maker, but Carmichael also contributes. I just think they need to wake up - they've done it before.

Why the lack of confidence in Cadet? Why feel so low self esteem to run a reverse with the tight end? Not even Moore or.... blah.
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Old 11-04-2013, 12:54 PM   #23
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I was screaming QB sneek comeonman you could roll on the ground for a couple of inches at least. Being out played is one thing but stupidity is another. I think Payton needs to step off a bit and let the OC do his job.
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We also just barely won several games.
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Old 11-05-2013, 07:03 PM   #25
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This game looks like 1 or 2 games we have every year. The home team
& crowd is all psyched up. They smother Drew & our offense. We get
ambushed by a St. Louis Rams. We have sucked at short yardage the entire
Payton era, since Deuce retired.

Nothings really changed, except our O-line looks a little worse, and we
'werent able to pull out the magic at the end.
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Old 11-05-2013, 07:05 PM   #26
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Originally Posted by skymike View Post
This game looks like 1 or 2 games we have every year. The home team
& crowd is all psyched up. They smother Drew & our offense. We get
ambushed by a St. Louis Rams. We have sucked at short yardage the entire
Payton era, since Deuce retired.

Nothings really changed, except our O-line looks a little worse, and we
'werent able to pull out the magic at the end.
Agreed Mike. And typically the next game we roll over someone. Here come dem Cowboys!
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We also just barely won several games.
And yet we are #6 in the league in point differential, #11 in points scored, and #4 in points allowed.
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Old 11-06-2013, 10:56 AM   #28
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Where is Jim Mora's mouth, when we need it.


Anybody remember what happened the next 3 weeks after he
made this speech? (hint, they did something they had never done
3 weeks in a row in history)
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Old 11-06-2013, 04:32 PM   #29
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If the TE reverse worked we would be praising Sean just like the onside kick. If it didn't work we'd be bashing him like it seems we are doing now. I honestly thing Sean was afraid of running against the jets didn't want to waste time and downs so he passed.

Would you guys be just as upset if he ran 20 times and wasnt effective?
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If the TE reverse worked we would be praising Sean just like the onside kick. If it didn't work we'd be bashing him like it seems we are doing now. I honestly thing Sean was afraid of running against the jets didn't want to waste time and downs so he passed.

Would you guys be just as upset if he ran 20 times and wasnt effective?
Man, we were the skin of the ball away. I'll tell you... I could see
taking a shot at the endzone. How bout a flea-flicker, a la the 1929 NFL Championship. It just seemed so obvious.
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