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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; (Mike Triplett) The NFL scouting combine wrapped up Tuesday with some impressive workouts from many of the top defensive backs. That's good news for the New Orleans Saints, since I think that position group ranks as their No. 1 need ...

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The NFL scouting combine wrapped up Tuesday with some impressive workouts from many of the top defensive backs. That's good news for the New Orleans Saints, since I think that position group ranks as their No. 1 need this offseason -- especially when you lump the cornerbacks and safeties together.

I think the Saints will address at least one of those positions in free agency, if not both, since they've got some holes in their starting lineup right now. The Saints have already released longtime starting cornerback Jabari Greer and safety Roman Harper. And they could part ways with longtime starting safety Malcolm Jenkins, too, since he'll be an unrestricted free agent on March 11.

The good news is the Saints are set with their No. 1 cornerback in Keenan Lewis and No. 1 safety in Kenny Vaccaro. And they like the potential of young backup safety Rafael Bush and cornerback Corey White. So they don't need a total overhaul.

However, the Saints will certainly consider adding to their secondary depth in the draft, regardless of what happens in free agency. They know you can never have enough talent in the secondary in today's pass-happy NFL.

Since the Saints are picking 27th, they probably won't get a crack at the top two cornerbacks in this year's draft class -- Oklahoma State's Justin Gilbert and Michigan State's Darqueze Dennard. But they're worth highlighting since it seems like there will be a pretty interesting debate over the next couple months over which should be drafted first.

Gilbert (6-0, 202) is an athletic marvel who ran the 40-yard dash in 4.37 seconds Tuesday -- the fastest time of any defensive back. He also had one of the strongest bench press performances, among other impressive drills. He also showed big-play potential in college. However, he wasn't as consistent as a “shut-down” corner as Dennard (5-11, 199).

Dennard, meanwhile, seemed to draw just as much praise from draft analysts for posting a time of 4.51 seconds in the 40 Tuesday -- since that's considered fast enough to complement his impressive on-field work in college.

Two highly-touted corners who might be available to the Saints at No. 27 are TCU's Jason Verrett and Ohio State's Bradley Roby, who also posted blazing times in the 40 (4.38 and 4.39 seconds, respectively).

Verrett was a standout cover man in college. NFL teams will just have to get over the fact that he's only 5-9, 189 pounds. That would probably work for the Saints since they use Lewis as their physical press corner against opponents' top receivers. Roby (5-11, 194) was a little less consistent in college but still had a nice career.

The top safety prospects -- Alabama's Ha Ha Clinton-Dix (6-1, 208) and Louisiville's Calvin Pryor (5-11, 207) -- could also be off the board before the Saints pick. Both of them reportedly helped solidfy their first-round status with impressive workouts at the combine, including matching times of 4.58 seconds in the 40.

Check out this piece by ESPN.com's San Diego Chargers reporter Eric D. Williams for an even more thorough look at how the secondary prospects fared.

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Old 02-26-2014, 09:44 AM   #2
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What are the odds we go DB at 27 instead of WR, this draft seems to be loaded with receivers and DB's

we need someone opposite keenan lewis
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What are the odds we go DB at 27 instead of WR, this draft seems to be loaded with receivers and DB's

we need someone opposite keenan lewis
That depends on what the BPA is. Direction will be decided once we are on the clock and know what is available.
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Don't care if Verrett is 5-10, 5-9 or 5-8 that dude can play. Tough, smart player.

Saw enough of Roby living up here, he doesn't have it upstairs. I don't care about his workout numbers, he's not a smart player which makes him a not good player. He's going to be a disappointment.

I do think we should go corner in this draft. It's not a desperate need, but we're penciling in P-Rob as a #2 or #3 corner and he's coming off an ACL injury. Verrett could have the same kind of impact on our secondary that Tyrann Mathieu had for the Cardinals last year.
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Don't care if Verrett is 5-10, 5-9 or 5-8 that dude can play. Tough, smart player.

Saw enough of Roby living up here, he doesn't have it upstairs. I don't care about his workout numbers, he's not a smart player which makes him a not good player. He's going to be a disappointment.

I do think we should go corner in this draft. It's not a desperate need, but we're penciling in P-Rob as a #2 or #3 corner and he's coming off an ACL injury. Verrett could have the same kind of impact on our secondary that Tyrann Mathieu had for the Cardinals last year.
Agreed, too many players come out of college having succeeded purely on natural ability. When everyone runs a 4.3 and is same ht/wt you have to be smart about it.

Defense is reactionary and instinct also plays into it a great deal. Sharper had instincts, but as we have read in the papers, not much frikken sense.
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Agreed, too many players come out of college having succeeded purely on natural ability. When everyone runs a 4.3 and is same ht/wt you have to be smart about it.

Defense is reactionary and instinct also plays into it a great deal.
Tebuckey Jones was the 1st thing that came to mind when I read this.

Richard Sherman ran a 4.54. which was the same 40 as Harper, Jenkins and Vaccaro. Sherman plays much faster than all of them.
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Give me Pryor Mickey Loomis, give me Pryor!!
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I like going either safety or corner in the first round. There should be a quality pick left at #27.
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BPA - I don't see it being a corner at 27.
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BPA - I don't see it being a corner at 27.
True, but if it is that would be great. But I'd be just fine if BPA is either OT, OC, DT, DE, LB, WR, TE or FS.

You target players, not positions
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