Brandon Browner the Strong Safety?

rezburna · 10-01-2015, 10:37 PM

We need to run a Big Dime. 3 Safeties, 3 Corners.

Byrd the Free. Browner the strong. Vacarro a Rover LB who blitzes often.

Lewis and Breaux on the outside. Swann at the Nickel.

Kikiha and Edebali rushing on the ends. Jordan and Richardson inside at the "DTs".

Run press man with a single high safety and blitz. I say if you're getting beat in coverage, at least get beat putting hits on the QB.

Halo · 10-01-2015, 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

I was listening til you said trade KV. That will make no sense. Yes KV was beat by the TE so was Browner. KV is younger and can cover wr, his weakness is playing deep zone.

KV is definitely not a shell-shock impact player like he was in 2013, but he still a major tackler on defense. If we traded him, we would need to replace him with a coverage LB or someone else.

We picked up Browner from the Pats with the following caveats - 1) he will get beat as many times as he makes a play in a game, 2) he will cost us at least two 15 yard penalties or interference calls per game.

His biggest problem is he currently is costing us more plays then he makes...

burningmetal · 10-02-2015, 12:15 AM

I must have missed something, because I haven't seen this phenomenal play from Breaux. He's made a couple plays, but he's still a long way off. I'm just glad he isn't getting flagged every other play anymore. I'll take the improvement.

Swann has been pretty good in spots as the nickel guy. I don't know how well he'd do as a starter, just yet. I don't want Browner on the field at any position right now. I don't think it matters where you play him, he's constantly getting lost and committing penalties. I'm not sure what happened to him, but I've seen enough that I can't call it a fluke anymore.

Rell&Gold · 10-02-2015, 12:32 AM

Browner got I know at lest one 50 yard play last week and gave up containment on the Cam TD

nola_swammi · 10-02-2015, 12:33 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I must have missed something, because I haven't seen this phenomenal play from Breaux. He's made a couple plays, but he's still a long way off. I'm just glad he isn't getting flagged every other play anymore. I'll take the improvement.

Swann has been pretty good in spots as the nickel guy. I don't know how well he'd do as a starter, just yet. I don't want Browner on the field at any position right now. I don't think it matters where you play him, he's constantly getting lost and committing penalties. I'm not sure what happened to him, but I've seen enough that I can't call it a fluke anymore.

Lewis described Breaux as playing at a "lockdown level."

"It doesn't really surprised me," Lewis said. "That's a guy I knew my whole life. I already knew what he's been working with. ... He's a lockdown corner. You watch him on tape. He blankets guys. He knows what his job is. That's what he do."

As for Swann, he's played consistently well during every game this season. Amazing to say for a fifth-round pick in his rookie season. He's hopped around from cornerback and safety during the first three weeks.

"Very special guy with a bright future," Lewis said. "A guy who can come in as a rookie, and they've thrown so much at him. Three different positions: corner, nickel and safety. He's definitely going to be a star in this league."
Believe it or not, some Saints have played well in 2015: Larry Holder | NOLA.com

Considering that Breaux is rarely tested and the only completion he allowed (that I can remember) was on a busted play, I would say he is doing a great job. Swann, have been playing lights out no matter where he lined up every pass in his direction been contested.

spkb25 · 10-02-2015, 05:03 AM

id be surprised, very surprised

dizzle88 · 10-02-2015, 05:23 AM

Browner the unemployed cornerback more like!

hagan714 · 10-02-2015, 06:05 AM

Browner is the CB you want on those big TE and WR

IN PRESS MAN COVERAGE ANYTHING ELSE AND IT IS TROUBLE

Do not play him off the line and do not ask him to react in space. It is not his game.

HE MUST BE ALLOWED TO JAM AND MUG IN THE FIRST 5 YARDS

It is that simple.

That is why Lewis being out has hurt Browner and the saints. He is not a #1 CB and he is not what i call a #2 either. He is better as a specialty CB against slower taller WR/TE. That is it. no more no less. Dude is lost in space.

Think of him as the Rocky of CB not an Apollo Creed.

He could not react to stop a B-Slap to save his life. J

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BUT just do not let him get his hands on you.

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UK_WhoDat · 10-02-2015, 06:46 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

But like I pointed out in my original post, the Patriots used him sometimes as that SS/LB hybrid that covers TE's. We use Vacarro in that role but he sucks covering TE's. We are awful at stopping TE's and Browner could match up very well against them instead of on the outside against some 6 foot WR that runs a 4.3 40.

That is fair enough.
I like a guy who is trying to think through solutions.

neugey · 10-02-2015, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by GeauxForMore

Browner does not fit our defensive scheme. Once again we take a player who is good at something and use him in a way that he shouldn't be used. Cover press corner. That is what he is. Cover press safety high. He is not a shutdown corner but a very good press corner. Stop putting him in zone with a 5-10 yard cushion. He is not that type of corner. He should be jamming everything in his way period. TE WR RB I don't care, let him interrupt routes and put his hand on people. Now I know he will get flagged, but that is the type of corner he is and what you paid him to be.

Totally agree. If we can get Keenan back, just start Keenan and Browner and play a lot of Tampa 2. What do we have to lose? Should at least try it but instead Rob Ryan 'will want to get weird'.

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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,662	Re: Brandon Browner the Strong Safety? We need to run a Big Dime. 3 Safeties, 3 Corners. Byrd the Free. Browner the strong. Vacarro a Rover LB who blitzes often. Lewis and Breaux on the outside. Swann at the Nickel. Kikiha and Edebali rushing on the ends. Jordan and Richardson inside at the "DTs". Run press man with a single high safety and blitz. I say if you're getting beat in coverage, at least get beat putting hits on the QB.

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Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,228 Blog Entries: 45	Re: Brandon Browner the Strong Safety? Originally Posted by nola_swammi I was listening til you said trade KV. That will make no sense. Yes KV was beat by the TE so was Browner. KV is younger and can cover wr, his weakness is playing deep zone. KV is definitely not a shell-shock impact player like he was in 2013, but he still a major tackler on defense. If we traded him, we would need to replace him with a coverage LB or someone else. We picked up Browner from the Pats with the following caveats - 1) he will get beat as many times as he makes a play in a game, 2) he will cost us at least two 15 yard penalties or interference calls per game. His biggest problem is he currently is costing us more plays then he makes...

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burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,906 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Brandon Browner the Strong Safety? I must have missed something, because I haven't seen this phenomenal play from Breaux. He's made a couple plays, but he's still a long way off. I'm just glad he isn't getting flagged every other play anymore. I'll take the improvement. Swann has been pretty good in spots as the nickel guy. I don't know how well he'd do as a starter, just yet. I don't want Browner on the field at any position right now. I don't think it matters where you play him, he's constantly getting lost and committing penalties. I'm not sure what happened to him, but I've seen enough that I can't call it a fluke anymore. Rell&Gold, K Major and brees84 like this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

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nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: Brandon Browner the Strong Safety? Originally Posted by burningmetal I must have missed something, because I haven't seen this phenomenal play from Breaux. He's made a couple plays, but he's still a long way off. I'm just glad he isn't getting flagged every other play anymore. I'll take the improvement. Swann has been pretty good in spots as the nickel guy. I don't know how well he'd do as a starter, just yet. I don't want Browner on the field at any position right now. I don't think it matters where you play him, he's constantly getting lost and committing penalties. I'm not sure what happened to him, but I've seen enough that I can't call it a fluke anymore. Lewis described Breaux as playing at a "lockdown level." "It doesn't really surprised me," Lewis said. "That's a guy I knew my whole life. I already knew what he's been working with. ... He's a lockdown corner. You watch him on tape. He blankets guys. He knows what his job is. That's what he do." As for Swann, he's played consistently well during every game this season. Amazing to say for a fifth-round pick in his rookie season. He's hopped around from cornerback and safety during the first three weeks. "Very special guy with a bright future," Lewis said. "A guy who can come in as a rookie, and they've thrown so much at him. Three different positions: corner, nickel and safety. He's definitely going to be a star in this league." Believe it or not, some Saints have played well in 2015: Larry Holder \| NOLA.com Considering that Breaux is rarely tested and the only completion he allowed (that I can remember) was on a busted play, I would say he is doing a great job. Swann, have been playing lights out no matter where he lined up every pass in his direction been contested.

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neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,601 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Brandon Browner the Strong Safety? Originally Posted by GeauxForMore Browner does not fit our defensive scheme. Once again we take a player who is good at something and use him in a way that he shouldn't be used. Cover press corner. That is what he is. Cover press safety high. He is not a shutdown corner but a very good press corner. Stop putting him in zone with a 5-10 yard cushion. He is not that type of corner. He should be jamming everything in his way period. TE WR RB I don't care, let him interrupt routes and put his hand on people. Now I know he will get flagged, but that is the type of corner he is and what you paid him to be. Totally agree. If we can get Keenan back, just start Keenan and Browner and play a lot of Tampa 2. What do we have to lose? Should at least try it but instead Rob Ryan 'will want to get weird'.

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