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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Breaux, Lewis, Williams, and Swann should be an improvement inthe secondary. Should be...I do worry about Swann and the concussions. That is usually a death sentence, but let's keep fingers crossed....

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Old 07-27-2016, 07:17 AM   #21
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Breaux, Lewis, Williams, and Swann should be an improvement inthe secondary. Should be...I do worry about Swann and the concussions. That is usually a death sentence, but let's keep fingers crossed.
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Old 07-27-2016, 07:20 AM   #22
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Originally Posted by WillSaints81 View Post
The saints could go toe to toe in back and forth shootouts with Jacksonville and Green Bay at home in 2007 and 2008. If going 80 yards is the issue then maybe the real problem is special teams. The texans scored 32 points in 11 and Drew scored 40 to win. That is indicative of a powerful offense.

You are acting like the offense was fine last year and that the oline did not have enough problems to affect Drew. My guess is you are pro-Streiff. But guard play and Streif were liabilities last year for the oline. The offense would stall at the wrong time.
I am guessing we are hoping zach can gives us one more year...I am not convinced, dude looked on his last leg last year, but let's keep fingers crossed.
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Old 07-27-2016, 11:21 AM   #23
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The saints could go toe to toe in back and forth shootouts with Jacksonville and Green Bay at home in 2007 and 2008.
Note that neither of the 2007 nor 2008 teams had a winning record.
If going 80 yards is the issue then maybe the real problem is special teams.
Special teams is a part of it. The other part is that turnovers contribute to shorter fields too. That's a defensive issue.
The texans scored 32 points in 11 and Drew scored 40 to win. That is indicative of a powerful offense.
It is also indicative of a porous defense that gave up 32 points.

You are acting like the offense was fine last year and that the oline did not have enough problems to affect Drew. My guess is you are pro-Streiff. But guard play and Streif were liabilities last year for the oline. The offense would stall at the wrong time.
Worrying about the Saints offense in the last 2 years is like worrying about a hangnail on the toe of a leg that's been blown off at the knee. There are much bigger issues to worry about.

There have been 50 Superbowls. There has been exactly one Superbowl champion that didn't have a top 10 scoring defense. Offenses have been all over the place, but having a defense that can stop people is a consistent theme in playing championship football.

The Saints were last in defensive scoring last year, by nearly 2 PPG giving up nearly 30 PPG. 476 points. The Saints have never had a winning record in the last 10 years when the defense has given up more than 350 points in a season, no matter how the offense did.

So compared to the two of the worst defenses in the history of the NFL, then yes the offense is fine.

The difference between the two of us is likely exhibited in the Giants game last year. You probably think that was a great game because the offense scored 52 points and 7 TDs. I thought it was a total debacle because the defense couldn't make a stop and gave up 49 points.

As of Strief, he is servicable but cannot handle elite edge rushing talent anymore. That can be managed with chipping help from backs or keeping in a tight end to help. But it's unrealistic that Brees is going to have a 7 step drop with 5 in the pattern and Strief keeping elite rushers like JJ Watt or Von Miller from getting around the edge and getting to Brees. Of course there are probably only 5 right tackles in the league that even have a chance of doing that.

So to summarize, an all pro offense with no defense doesn't win championships. An excellent offense coupled with defense that can get off the field and take the ball away can. The Saints were the latter combination in 2009. They were nothing like that in 2015. There is no improvement on the offense, no receiver, no lineman, no back, nothing, that would significantly change the dynamic from the last 2 years. The only thing that will lift the Saints out from 7-9 or 8-8 is getting the defense down to around 21 points of scoring defense and top 10 in turnovers.

So that's why I sigh when I hear "replace Strief", "draft Treadwell", "sign Bolden", "get a veteran mentor for the receivers" or frankly any other offensive change that somehow is going to make the Saints a championship squad, when there's is 10 years of evidence that it makes no real difference.

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Old 07-28-2016, 12:32 AM   #24
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OK- Heres the deal. Fairley and Rankins are gonna anchor the best DL in the NFL. Laurinitis is a huge upgrade for us and his play will allow Anthony to really explode. Lewis and Breaux healthy gives us the best CB duo in the NFL. Deion said that. Oh and Cam gets 12+ sacks and we win the BOWL. Who doesn't agree?
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Originally Posted by WillSaints81 View Post
This offense better learn to win against tough defenses, which they have yet to show.
Really...
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you guys are a tough crowd.

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