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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by AsylumGuido And replacing him with what? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Honestly, not sure but if we actually build a stout D and get a strong O-line with a good run game things could work out pretty well. Brees isn't going ...

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Old 08-28-2016, 08:47 PM   #21
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Re: We don't even know it's that bad.

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And replacing him with what?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
Honestly, not sure but if we actually build a stout D and get a strong O-line with a good run game things could work out pretty well. Brees isn't going to play at a high level forever and sooner than later he will leave and so will his era. I'm not expecting a new qb to put up # like Brees but there have been alot of contenders and SB championship teams with lesser qb over the years. I just don't see us resigning him at top qb scale and stay in the hunt.
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Old 08-28-2016, 08:51 PM   #22
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While im unsure you cant say the ladt $100ml given to Brees has done much. The teams been 33-33 and is 1-1 in the playoffs since he got that deal.

There is a case wether spending the $25ml it would cost to re-sign Brees on a pair of Guards $13-15ml,reupping Unger +5ml on his salary, and a DE/DT 5-8ml towards his salary wouldnt mske the team more balanced.

Not saying it will be done but would trading for say a Garoppolo and putting him behind a line of Armstead-G-Unger-G-Peat and with Ingram,Cooks,Thomas,Snead, Fleener. Does anyone think he couldn't put up 4,000 yards and s increase in the run game?

"Two receivers to the left, Garcon to the right. Manning in the shotgun, puts Collie in motion. Looks in his direction...it's picked off! It's picked off! It's Tracy Porter again! He's runnin' free! He's gonna go all the way!
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Old 08-28-2016, 09:01 PM   #23
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I really don't think it's as much players as it is the front office and coaching. Think about it
We are in a bad cap situation cause bad deals that have been cut or traded away
Haven't had alot of draft picks overall because of trading up
Swing and miss in free agency over and over
Give huge deals for mediocre play except contract years
Draft classes have been crappy hardly ever find anyone
When we do find a good draft pick we don't develop said pick
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Old 08-28-2016, 09:06 PM   #24
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While im unsure you cant say the ladt $100ml given to Brees has done much. The teams been 33-33 and is 1-1 in the playoffs since he got that deal.

There is a case wether spending the $25ml it would cost to re-sign Brees on a pair of Guards $13-15ml,reupping Unger +5ml on his salary, and a DE/DT 5-8ml towards his salary wouldnt mske the team more balanced.

Not saying it will be done but would trading for say a Garoppolo and putting him behind a line of Armstead-G-Unger-G-Peat and with Ingram,Cooks,Thomas,Snead, Fleener. Does anyone think he couldn't put up 4,000 yards and s increase in the run game?
Old school football with a good game manager at qb is stout. I don't care about looking pretty or high octane as long as the job gets done on a consistant level, like you said balanced. Our D has rode the O's coat tails for alot of years now and balance has never been in the equation since Payton has been at the helm.
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Old 08-28-2016, 09:06 PM   #25
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Re: We don't even know it's that bad.

We won't really know what we have until the first game is over.
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I really don't think it's as much players as it is the front office and coaching. Think about it
We are in a bad cap situation cause bad deals that have been cut or traded away
Haven't had alot of draft picks overall because of trading up
Swing and miss in free agency over and over
Give huge deals for mediocre play except contract years
Draft classes have been crappy hardly ever find anyone
When we do find a good draft pick we don't develop said pick
Ive said a few times i think the root of the problem is at board room level. It doesn't look like Bensons is running things either he's dostracted by family issues,or isnt capable at his age. Now if he had a msn running it that would be fine but the man who seems in charge is Loomis and that means Loomis isnt under pressure as a GM,and he is unlikely to rock the boat with Payton. The coaches except the DC under Payton look untouchavle no matter how badly their units perform.

With a leader at the helm to steer the ship it will run off course. Any other GM thats drafted as bad and overpaid as many FA as he has would be on the hot seat

"Two receivers to the left, Garcon to the right. Manning in the shotgun, puts Collie in motion. Looks in his direction...it's picked off! It's picked off! It's Tracy Porter again! He's runnin' free! He's gonna go all the way!
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Originally Posted by halloween 65 View Post
Honestly, not sure but if we actually build a stout D and get a strong O-line with a good run game things could work out pretty well. Brees isn't going to play at a high level forever and sooner than later he will leave and so will his era. I'm not expecting a new qb to put up # like Brees but there have been alot of contenders and SB championship teams with lesser qb over the years. I just don't see us resigning him at top qb scale and stay in the hunt.
The ONLY way we can stay in the hunt is to re-sign him.
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Old 08-28-2016, 09:15 PM   #28
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The ONLY way we can stay in the hunt is to re-sign him.
Im sure the Colts said the same. Im sure most 49ers thought the world ended after Montana. The Pats were up a creak when Bledsoe went down. Succesful team long term move on a year too early thsn s year too late
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Im sure the Colts said the same. Im sure most 49ers thought the world ended after Montana. The Pats were up a creak when Bledsoe went down. Succesful team long term move on a year too early thsn s year too late
The 49er's already had what they knew was something special in reserve on the roster. The Colts knew they had what was widely accepted as the most sure fire QB in decades as the first pick. The Pats example is not even relevant because Bledsoe couldn't hold Brees' jockstrap and they already had Brady on the roster. Getting rid of Brees might not be one year early and may end up being ten years too early. Hell, we may never luck up upon another QB as good as Brees will most likely still be three years from now for twenty years.

Your examples suck.

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Yes mister know it all. You come across as a bit of a arse putting down everyones opinions while setting yourself up as the font of all Knowledge. Nobody knows what will could happen if Brees isnt resigned. A lesser QB in the rigjt system,with the right weapons and protection could easily put up the numbers needed for success with a defense not starved of millions.

If Brees was this guarantee you claim he is why since he was given his contract has the team been nothing more than a 8-8 team with 2 playoff games since 2011?

Nobody knew Brady was who he was when he initially took over. In house San Fran knew they had a player but again they still traded away the greatest QB in history at that point to give him tbe reigns. No matter how good Brees is he will want to be one of the highest paid player again and with other deals needed and a roster to be filled out it will still eat masses of the cap.

The cap looks great next year but then there will be dead money,Brees,Snead,Unger all need feeding from the $40ml currently there. Aswell as all the rookies, guards and a roster to fill out. The three players listed will eat that 40ml unless you continue to push it doen the road. 2018 you need to pay Vacarro,Cooks and Breaux. Money has to be found soon
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