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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by spkb25 i dont understand then why did we dominate in 2009, did we run complex blocking schemes that preseason? Why was Pittsburgh doing so well, were they running complex schemes too? So in 09 we dominated in ...

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Old 09-05-2016, 09:40 AM   #31
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i dont understand then why did we dominate in 2009, did we run complex blocking schemes that preseason? Why was Pittsburgh doing so well, were they running complex schemes too? So in 09 we dominated in preseason and ended up 13-3 and winning the super bowl and SP thought to himself don't do that anymore, instead look like **** in preseason so you can trick everyone?
That 2009 offensive line WAS better than our current line. Way better. That doesn't mean our current line sucks. It is NFL average most likely. With Brees under center he can still turn that into 40 TD's and 5000 yards, especially if the defense isn't performing at a historically poor level.

Don't forget about 2006, the year that Payton is comparing to this year by wiping the slate clean and starting from scratch. The Saints sucked in preseason and still went out and went the same 13-3 and made it to the conference championship game.

As for Pittsburgh, once again you can't tell anything about preseason. They may or may not have been running regular season blocking schemes at times. Preseason isn't about winning at all. It is about evaluating players even if it means putting them in situations doomed to fail to see how they respond.
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Old 09-05-2016, 09:43 AM   #32
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I think there are at least 5 in the NFC and 5 in the AFC maybe more. Our O isn't the quick strike O of old anymore and might never be again with the teams building solid defenses and our defense has never been a solid consistant unit year after year. We may be able to beat lesser teams this season but I can't see us beating contenders unless they beat themselves with mistakes. Those close games last season might not be so close this season.
How do you know our offense isn't quick strike? You haven't even seen it yet. It hasn't been on the field yet. Bits and pieces running vanilla plays, yes, but not the regular season offense.
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Old 09-05-2016, 09:52 AM   #33
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That 2009 offensive line WAS better than our current line. Way better.
Exactly, so the fact that we could not move the ball at all should be more than concerning, especially since our last two seasons have been just as bad.

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That doesn't mean our current line sucks. It is NFL average most likely. With Brees under center he can still turn that into 40 TD's and 5000 yards, especially if the defense isn't performing at a historically poor level.
That's an opinion that I cannot be certain is true. Possible, sure, but I do not know that right now and neither do you. This team looked, offensively, as bad as I have ever seen under SP.

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forget about 2006, the year that Payton is comparing to this year by wiping the slate clean and starting from scratch. The Saints sucked in preseason and still went out and went the same 13-3 and made it to the conference championship game.
No we went 10-6 in 2006, and to be honest I don't even remember the preseason that year, but I remember (I think) we played Cleveland to start the season and came away with a win and the team seemed to get better as the year went on. We had some scrappy players, so it is possible if we can win and build confidence, but right now I see nothing about this team that leads me to be optimistic. I hope we steal a win or two to start the year and build that momentum, that may be more important than anything.
I do think we are building a good team and are a few key pieces away.

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As for Pittsburgh, once again you can't tell anything about preseason. They may or may not have been running regular season blocking schemes at times. Preseason isn't about winning at all. It is about evaluating players even if it means putting them in situations doomed to fail to see how they respond.
Not likely Pitt was running anything but vanilla, they just kicked our ass up and down the field. And the worse part is the offensive performance against 2nd and 3rd stringers for Baltimore, our 1's managed a FG

But let's hope we get off to a good start at home and build some momentum. That might get us 10-6 and the playoffs.
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Old 09-05-2016, 10:09 AM   #34
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That's an opinion that I cannot be certain is true. Possible, sure, but I do not know that right now and neither do you. This team looked, offensively, as bad as I have ever seen under SP.

No we went 10-6 in 2006, and to be honest I don't even remember the preseason that year, but I remember (I think) we played Cleveland to start the season and came away with a win and the team seemed to get better as the year went on. We had some scrappy players, so it is possible if we can win and build confidence, but right now I see nothing about this team that leads me to be optimistic. I hope we steal a win or two to start the year and build that momentum, that may be more important than anything.
I do think we are building a good team and are a few key pieces away.
You're right, my bad. But we do agree, and you make my point, we "do not know that right now" and will only know for sure when regular season is underway. And I repeat, we haven't even seen the offense on the field yet, at all. Bits and pieces, yes, but not all of the key players. Of course we are going to suck with Cook, Snead and/or Thomas on the sideline. Of course we'll look bad with Greyson or McCown taking all of the snaps. Of course we'll look bad with Murphy or Cadet running the ball up the gut on first or second down. None of that will be the case once the season starts for earnest.

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You're right, my bad. But we do agree, and you make my point, we "do not know that right now" and will only know for sure when regular season is underway. And I repeat, we haven't even seen the offense on the field yet, at all. Bits and pieces, yes, but not all of the key players. Of course we are going to suck with Cook, Snead and/or Thomas on the sideline. Of course we'll look bad with Greyson or McCown taking all of the snaps. Of course we'll look bad with Murphy or Cadet running the ball up the gut on first or second down. None of that will be the case once the season starts for earnest.
If Armistead comes back fully healthy and Peat settles in at LG, might be serviceable enough. A win to open the season would be good, very good
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How do you know our offense isn't quick strike? You haven't even seen it yet. It hasn't been on the field yet. Bits and pieces running vanilla plays, yes, but not the regular season offense.
Guido, running vanilla plays are usually getting the team to work out some kinks, they have in no way shape or form worked out those kinks and watching that O-line get manhandled more plays than not has put an exclamation point on it for me. It amazes me how you don't see this. I love my Saints good or bad but this team needs more help than what they have now on the O-line. Buy into it if you want but I have a hard time seeing a good O let alone a quick strike O. Their not close to passing the eyeball test out on the field. I might ask you the same question a few games from now?
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I agree with the O-Line guys here. If our O-Line doesnt get better fast,
and if they let someone come in and knock Brees out of 2016, we will be
the worst team in football.
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Guido, running vanilla plays are usually getting the team to work out some kinks, they have in no way shape or form worked out those kinks and watching that O-line get manhandled more plays than not has put an exclamation point on it for me. It amazes me how you don't see this. I love my Saints good or bad but this team needs more help than what they have now on the O-line. Buy into it if you want but I have a hard time seeing a good O let alone a quick strike O. Their not close to passing the eyeball test out on the field. I might ask you the same question a few games from now?
Yes, ask me a few games in when the starting offense has actually played in meaningful games. That's what I have been trying to point out. None of us truly have a clue of exactly what we are going to see.Projecting gloom and doom is counterproductive and simply brings on ulcers. Lighten up and spend less time expecting the bad. Enough bad comes our way anyway in life without worrying about something which we have no power over at all.
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Buccaneers, Redskins, Packers, Vikings.....

Bucs? Uhh no! Is this a serious comment? Do you actually think they are significantly better than we are? Why?

Redskins, they are not significantly better than we are. Probably equal to us I'll admit but no, they are not significantly better than we are.

Packers? Maybe. Their offense and defense were just mediocre last year. I don't think they made any significant changes either. We improved quite a bit more on defense than they did. Might be your only valid point, but I wouldn't say they're much better than we are.

Vikings, they just lost their 2nd best player on offense for the year. Bradford is no Teddy Bridgewater. Shaun Hill will be taking snaps by week 8.

Just my opinion but I think your wrong on all 4 points.

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The packers.........they have the best QB in the NFL who can make crazy TD passes at the end, a WR who can burn CBs because of Cobb and Lacy and now Cook. Rodgers can see over his linemen unlike Brees and does not need great protection he just needs Nelson. Rodgers can do things with a bad line that Brees cannot.

And trust me if you don't want Carolina to win a SB you better be hoping for GB to win because they are the only team that can win in Carolina in January because they are not a west coast team. I sure would hope GB was that much better than us if we were not good because I believe Carolina has no chance in Lambeau in January. A inexperienced playoff team is not even beating Carolina at home sorry to say. There are only three teams and two of them are fighting each other in the division which takes away from their HFA potential because of the other two pesty rivals.
I know you can't read this, but you put far too much confidence in Carolina. The fifteen wins last season were smoke and mirrors. They had every break imaginable go their way. They were exposed by a weak Atlanta squad at the end of the regular season and totally demoralized by a team with a shell of a player at QB. I can easily see them dropping two or three in a row early and that ***** Newton pouting through the rest of the season.
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