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Old 09-13-2017, 11:04 PM   #21
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Hey we're not the JETS. Yes we have are problems. But we're not the JETS. Just End The Season.
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Maybe it's time the Saints stop screwing around worrying about defense. Stop drafting defensive players, and go all offense. Become that team again who can outscore anyone, anytime, no matter what. Fill the defense with some cheap free agents, and undrafted rookies, and hope for the best. At least the Saints would win 10-11 games and have a shot at another championship.
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I suppose we could make every kick an onside kick. It would give Morestead something to do if we won't punt anymore.
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My wife is a Pats fan, we can't let this happen
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We're gonna shock the world!!!

Yeah...no
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Yes. Yes we are!!!!
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Wasn't Jack Del Rio available as a Dcoord prior to getting his second head coaching gig? We could have hired Wade as well, which is who I wanted us to hire.
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Wasn't Jack Del Rio available as a Dcoord prior to getting his second head coaching gig? We could have hired Wade as well, which is who I wanted us to hire.
Jim Schwartz, Del Rio, Wade Phillips were all available, Payton chose his buddy instead.
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Old 09-14-2017, 05:44 AM   #28
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I don't think it matters who the defense coordinator is. The common denominator appears to be Sean Payton's philosophy, whatever that may be. Maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea for Payton to sit back and play the role of motivator/cheerleader, and let Pete Carmichael have 100 percent control of the offense, and Dennis Allen 100 percent control of the defense, and let's see what happens. Obviously something is not right and hasn't been for years.
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I don't think it matters who the defense coordinator is. The common denominator appears to be Sean Payton's philosophy, whatever that may be. Maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea for Payton to sit back and play the role of motivator/cheerleader, and let Pete Carmichael have 100 percent control of the offense, and Dennis Allen 100 percent control of the defense, and let's see what happens. Obviously something is not right and hasn't been for years.
As much as I agree with you, Payton is far too big headed and full of himself to take a back seat when it's obvious he's the problem.

We all know Pete Carmichael is a better OC than Payton and it now seems Payton gets too involved with defense, which is nowhere near his strong suit.
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Well, when you waste six plus years see-sawing back and forth over what kind of scheme you want to run, drafting personnel for a 4-3 and then for a 3-4 only to go back to a 4-3, you can expect these kind of results...

Firmly believe Payton the Coach would be fine with a strong GM who actually built the team, both personnel and defensive coaches, and who could veto Payton on personnel moves...

Payton gets in trouble when he has too much control with no checks and balances (see Jeff Fisher, Chip Kelly, Chuck Pagano); the only guy that's been able to do it is Bill Belichick, but in the Pat's HC's rare candid interviews, Belichick talks about actually listening, trusting his people...

Agree with the criticism that D.A. is basically a yes man (he's been a HC and he's not HC material) and that's why Payton hasn't seen this defense continue to improve as communication seems to be a problem with D.A. and that's why he has such a strong support staff in place (i.e. Nolan, Nielsen, Glenn)...

The one guy who challenged Payton during his tenure, Williams, well you could tell it was still personal when Payton chose to show the entire playbook against the Rams last season - this was the worst side of Payton I've seen besides the public bullying of Ryan on the sidelines...

With Payton having absolute organizational power and a 92yo, virtually cuckolded, team owner in Benson who's just happy to be alive at this point with his one Superbowl ring, Payton has to show rare self-discipline and continue this path he's started of actually listening and trusting good people he's brought in (i.e. Ireland, Nolan)...

If not, he will find himself in the same trajectory as Jim Mora after he lost Jim Finks - ruining the good will and legacy he's built with the fans...

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