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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by The Dude Ok, that still doesn't help the defense get any better. Even with Snead this offense isn't good enough to score enough points to keep up with even a mediocre team. The defense needs to help. ...

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Old 09-17-2017, 09:24 PM   #21
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Ok, that still doesn't help the defense get any better. Even with Snead this offense isn't good enough to score enough points to keep up with even a mediocre team. The defense needs to help. We've tried to rely on the ole "we will just outscore them" approach for too long. Brees is past that point in his career and he doesn't have enough help on the offensive line to make up for it.
willie snead is not the reason for the offensive woes. Oline is, which you were torn to shreds for being concerned about the depth...
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Old 09-17-2017, 09:26 PM   #22
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Ok, that still doesn't help the defense get any better. Even with Snead this offense isn't good enough to score enough points to keep up with even a mediocre team. The defense needs to help. We've tried to rely on the ole "we will just outscore them" approach for too long. Brees is past that point in his career and he doesn't have enough help on the offensive line to make up for it.
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willie snead is not the reason for the offensive woes. Oline is
No, Snead alone is not the issue with the offense. But, add to Snead the missing starting left and right tackles and that might have something to do with the inability to convert on those 3rd downs.

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Old 09-17-2017, 09:28 PM   #23
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Missing Snead is huge. He has been Mr. Automatic 3rd Down Conversion.

The inability to convert on 3rd downs has been the culprit on offense.
Missing Snead doesn't help, but it's not enough of an excuse. The Patriots offense seems fine without Edelman.

When things are going good, Brees is a genius and makes average players look better. When things are bad, we suddenly cannot live without a receiver who we picked up off the scrapheap. Don't get me wrong, I like Willie as a player. But we can't fall apart all because he isn't playing.
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Old 09-17-2017, 09:29 PM   #24
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No, Snead alone is not the issue with the offense. But, add to Snead the missing starting left and right tackles and that might have something to do with the inability to convert on those 3rd downs.

Right?
i don't know you said "Armistead who" when discussing Ryan Ram...so can't be that. Plus you said we were better off for losing Armistead since it would cause more cohesion. Guess you were wrong, again. Told you then that losing starters is a bad thing."
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Old 09-17-2017, 09:29 PM   #25
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I don't know what everyone expected after seeing the bullets fly against the Vikes.

What we have is a young D trying to find themselves and learning as they go. I never read much into the offseason all those are is garbage. You don't get tested in preseason you get tested when the bullets are flying. I hope they figured out that when you have talent on the Oline you don't let them go because you don't want to pay them what they are worth. Those are the guys who win you football games.
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I don't know what everyone expected after seeing the bullets fly against the Vikes.

What we have is a young D trying to find themselves and learning as they go. I never read much into the offseason all those are is garbage. You don't get tested in preseason you get tested when the bullets are flying. I hope they figured out that when you have talent on the Oline you don't let them go because you don't want to pay them what they are worth. Those are the guys who win you football games.
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Old 09-17-2017, 09:33 PM   #27
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i don't know you said Armistead who" when discussing Ryan Ram...so can't be that. Plus you said we were better off for losing Armistead since it would cause more cohesion. Guess you were wrong, again. Told you then that losing starters is a bad thing."
You know I never said that losing a starter isn't a bad thing. That is foolish. What I said was if something bad happens you have to look at what positives can be gained from it. Ramczyk is gaining very valuable experience. Not under the most ideal of situations, but valuable none the less.
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You know I never said that losing a starter isn't a bad thing. That is foolish. What I said was if something bad happens you have to look at what positives can be gained from it. Ramczyk is gaining very valuable experience. Not under the most ideal of situations, but valuable none the less.
No, I don't have to look for the positive because I don't have any control over the team or who plays. Told you losing nick and armistead were going to hurt because starters are starters for a reason. Told you boss.Now you are seeing I was right
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Missing Snead is huge. He has been Mr. Automatic 3rd Down Conversion.

The inability to convert on 3rd downs has been the culprit on offense.
Patriots are missing lots themselves... it's merely an excuse. The coaching is not up to par anymore. Some of the players have quit listening. The attitude of the players during the game spelled volumes. So sad. I wish it were different... it just isn't.
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Old 09-17-2017, 10:08 PM   #30
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And the whole thing about third down conversions...why does it always have to be third down conversions? Is that what this offense relies on? I just think Payton needs to go. I'm sick of all the malfunctioning issues on offense.
People tend to bring up third downs a lot, but it's such an obvious statement to say that if we struggle on third down, we're going to struggle in general. Of course you have to convert on third down. But is it just third downs? What are we doing on first and second down to set up more manageable third downs?

That's what people miss when they just make blanket statements about needing to convert on third down. We're just not good enough, right now, and that means we're not getting it done on any down.

I'm tired of the malfunctioning as well, Will. We do have some injuries that aren't helping, but this kind of play is not terribly new, regardless.
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If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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