I Just Can't Understand This

WillSaints81 · 09-17-2017, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Missing Snead doesn't help, but it's not enough of an excuse. The Patriots offense seems fine without Edelman.

When things are going good, Brees is a genius and makes average players look better. When things are bad, we suddenly cannot live without a receiver who we picked up off the scrapheap. Don't get me wrong, I like Willie as a player. But we can't fall apart all because he isn't playing.

And the whole thing about third down conversions...why does it always have to be third down conversions? Is that what this offense relies on? I just think Payton needs to go. I'm sick of all the malfunctioning issues on offense.

SmashMouth · 09-17-2017, 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Missing Snead is huge. He has been Mr. Automatic 3rd Down Conversion.

The inability to convert on 3rd downs has been the culprit on offense.

Patriots are missing lots themselves... it's merely an excuse. The coaching is not up to par anymore. Some of the players have quit listening. The attitude of the players during the game spelled volumes. So sad. I wish it were different... it just isn't.

burningmetal · 09-17-2017, 10:08 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

And the whole thing about third down conversions...why does it always have to be third down conversions? Is that what this offense relies on? I just think Payton needs to go. I'm sick of all the malfunctioning issues on offense.

People tend to bring up third downs a lot, but it's such an obvious statement to say that if we struggle on third down, we're going to struggle in general. Of course you have to convert on third down. But is it just third downs? What are we doing on first and second down to set up more manageable third downs?

That's what people miss when they just make blanket statements about needing to convert on third down. We're just not good enough, right now, and that means we're not getting it done on any down.

I'm tired of the malfunctioning as well, Will. We do have some injuries that aren't helping, but this kind of play is not terribly new, regardless.

Rell&Gold · 09-17-2017, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

don't pick on spags he is fine in NY. We gave that guy **** to work with and 0 time to get it together. stupid

We know its you spags the jig is up. Thats sp in. (SPkb) theres for see.

spkb25 · 09-17-2017, 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold

We know its you spags the jig is up. Thats sp in. (SPkb) theres for see.

you know what is funny he was working with corey white and prob at corners, lol

turbo_dog · 09-17-2017, 10:27 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Patriots are missing lots themselves... it's merely an excuse. The coaching is not up to par anymore. Some of the players have quit listening. The attitude of the players during the game spelled volumes. So sad. I wish it were different... it just isn't.

Exactly what I wanted to point out. At one point, they were down to two receivers and had a fullback spread out. They still made our defense look like melting butter.

The only positive I can take away from today is how surprisingly great Romo was as a color commentator. Too bad we'll be back to Kenny "the corpse" Albert next week probably.

leilung · 09-18-2017, 10:35 AM

As I sit self-medicating, I can't help but wax nostalgic for the days of dependability on offense like, Deuce and Colston.

It's going to be a loooong season. Thank GOD for whiskey!

K Major · 09-18-2017, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Patriots are missing lots themselves... it's merely an excuse. The coaching is not up to par anymore. Some of the players have quit listening.

+1. Brady was missing his biggest WR target underneath ... Edelman in addition to Amendola & Hightower. Tom still sliced us up with back up RB/FB's (Burkhead) on simple passing routes.

This team has run out of excuses.

nutria · 09-18-2017, 11:12 AM

Nothing like the pain of crushed expectations. We were supposed to lose these games, but the manner of losing was just terrible. Injuries helped, but Patriots played without there 3 starting wide receivers and Bellicheck had a plan. Really a sad start to the season.

gulfgambler · 09-18-2017, 11:24 AM

It's called no talent. Missing on free agents and missing on draft picks in last 5 years. It doesn't matter who the DC is on this team. Payton, Loomis and now Ireland all responsible. Now offense has regressed, so having to see more of the defense.

09-17-2017, 10:00 PM	#31
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: I Just Can't Understand This Originally Posted by burningmetal Missing Snead doesn't help, but it's not enough of an excuse. The Patriots offense seems fine without Edelman. When things are going good, Brees is a genius and makes average players look better. When things are bad, we suddenly cannot live without a receiver who we picked up off the scrapheap. Don't get me wrong, I like Willie as a player. But we can't fall apart all because he isn't playing. And the whole thing about third down conversions...why does it always have to be third down conversions? Is that what this offense relies on? I just think Payton needs to go. I'm sick of all the malfunctioning issues on offense. Kryptonite likes this.

09-17-2017, 10:04 PM	#32
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,201 Blog Entries: 29	Re: I Just Can't Understand This Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Missing Snead is huge. He has been Mr. Automatic 3rd Down Conversion. The inability to convert on 3rd downs has been the culprit on offense. Patriots are missing lots themselves... it's merely an excuse. The coaching is not up to par anymore. Some of the players have quit listening. The attitude of the players during the game spelled volumes. So sad. I wish it were different... it just isn't. spkb25 and K Major like this.

09-17-2017, 10:08 PM	#33
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: I Just Can't Understand This Originally Posted by WillSaints81 And the whole thing about third down conversions...why does it always have to be third down conversions? Is that what this offense relies on? I just think Payton needs to go. I'm sick of all the malfunctioning issues on offense. People tend to bring up third downs a lot, but it's such an obvious statement to say that if we struggle on third down, we're going to struggle in general. Of course you have to convert on third down. But is it just third downs? What are we doing on first and second down to set up more manageable third downs? That's what people miss when they just make blanket statements about needing to convert on third down. We're just not good enough, right now, and that means we're not getting it done on any down. I'm tired of the malfunctioning as well, Will. We do have some injuries that aren't helping, but this kind of play is not terribly new, regardless. spkb25 likes this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

09-17-2017, 10:16 PM	#34
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,887	Re: I Just Can't Understand This Originally Posted by spkb25 don't pick on spags he is fine in NY. We gave that guy **** to work with and 0 time to get it together. stupid We know its you spags the jig is up. Thats sp in. (SPkb) theres for see. spkb25, MatthewT and 73Saint like this.

09-17-2017, 10:25 PM	#35
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,101	Re: I Just Can't Understand This Originally Posted by Rell&Gold We know its you spags the jig is up. Thats sp in. (SPkb) theres for see. you know what is funny he was working with corey white and prob at corners, lol

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09-17-2017, 10:27 PM	#36
turbo_dog 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Atlanta Posts: 1,592	Re: I Just Can't Understand This Originally Posted by SmashMouth Patriots are missing lots themselves... it's merely an excuse. The coaching is not up to par anymore. Some of the players have quit listening. The attitude of the players during the game spelled volumes. So sad. I wish it were different... it just isn't. Exactly what I wanted to point out. At one point, they were down to two receivers and had a fullback spread out. They still made our defense look like melting butter. The only positive I can take away from today is how surprisingly great Romo was as a color commentator. Too bad we'll be back to Kenny "the corpse" Albert next week probably. spkb25, MatthewT, neugey and 4 others like this.

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leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,373	Re: I Just Can't Understand This As I sit self-medicating, I can't help but wax nostalgic for the days of dependability on offense like, Deuce and Colston. It's going to be a loooong season. Thank GOD for whiskey! skymike and Rugby Saint II like this.

09-18-2017, 11:08 AM	#38
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: I Just Can't Understand This Originally Posted by SmashMouth Patriots are missing lots themselves... it's merely an excuse. The coaching is not up to par anymore. Some of the players have quit listening. +1. Brady was missing his biggest WR target underneath ... Edelman in addition to Amendola & Hightower. Tom still sliced us up with back up RB/FB's (Burkhead) on simple passing routes. This team has run out of excuses. Rugby Saint II and CharityMike like this.

09-18-2017, 11:12 AM	#39
nutria Sac-A-Lait Join Date: May 2006 Location: Prairieville, LA Posts: 262	Re: I Just Can't Understand This Nothing like the pain of crushed expectations. We were supposed to lose these games, but the manner of losing was just terrible. Injuries helped, but Patriots played without there 3 starting wide receivers and Bellicheck had a plan. Really a sad start to the season. leilung likes this.

09-18-2017, 11:24 AM	#40
gulfgambler Site Donor Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Tomball Posts: 1,097	Re: I Just Can't Understand This It's called no talent. Missing on free agents and missing on draft picks in last 5 years. It doesn't matter who the DC is on this team. Payton, Loomis and now Ireland all responsible. Now offense has regressed, so having to see more of the defense.

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