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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; saintwhodi -- You\'ve called Sullivan a thief for accepting his salary and not performing. You\'ve called him all sorts of things. You can find all the articles in the world that agree with you. That doesn\'t make them or you ...

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Old 04-11-2005, 11:59 AM   #31
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saintwhodi --

You\'ve called Sullivan a thief for accepting his salary and not performing.

You\'ve called him all sorts of things.

You can find all the articles in the world that agree with you. That doesn\'t make them or you right.

Turn off the hate and look at things objectively.

It would hurt the team more to cut Sully this year rather than next year.

You have NO idea what Sullivan will do THIS year.

And it would be foolish to cut him right now when he COULD have a break-out year.
So everyone is wrong except you? Okay. And don\'t change gears on me now. You said initially don\'t cut him cause he has the talent to succeed, you said nothing about the cap. Stick to your argument which is Sully has the talent. I don\'t give a damn about the cap or cutting him, I am arguing the notion he has talent, which NOONE has any proof for at this point, but there is plenty of proof to the opposite. So don\'t try to switch gears to improve yoru argument. Sully has talent remember? surely you can stand on that argument alone?
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Old 04-11-2005, 12:04 PM   #32
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From some of our boys here:

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Old 04-11-2005, 12:09 PM   #33
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Little more from our boys:

http://www.blackandgold.net/site/mod...hread&tid=8391

Lots of grudges out there. And I haven\'t found the thread that is actually titles Sullivan is a bust yet. But it\'s all good. Sometimes hope is all you need.
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Old 04-11-2005, 12:13 PM   #34
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Gumbo, how can you dare call me and Whodi biased or say that we hold grudges or have something personal against Sullivan when you yourself said :
\"Sullivan shouldn\'t be given another chance. I knew this bum wasn\'t any good when he was in college. It was widely reported that he had character problems and most scouts reported he didn\'t have the talent to play in the NFL.

There is absolutely NO way that Sullivan is ever going to do anything. He simply doesn\'t have the talent to play in the NFL. NEVER!!\"

Quite a sudden change of heart on Sullivan eh. And by your arguments, we should still be waiting for Alex Molden to develop into a top flight cover corner. I agree with what Whodi is saying here and what you said in the link that Whodi posted. Sullivan DOES NOT HAVE THE TALENT. Laziness and no heart do not help much either.
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Old 04-11-2005, 12:13 PM   #35
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saintwhodi --

You never give up do ya?

So what?

I don\'t give a damn if everyone on here is in favor of cutting Sullivan. I don\'t care what articles you pull up.

What I do care about is doing what\'s best for the team.

Sully might go on to be a bust this year. He might go on to play well.

Sullivan didn\'t play last year so you can\'t use last year as proof that he doesn\'t have talent. As hard-headed as you are, surly you understand this.

And rookie DTs almost always struggle.

While I can\'t PROVE Sully has talent. You can\'t prove he doesn\'t!!

Point made? Probably not.

Got something else?
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Old 04-11-2005, 12:16 PM   #36
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Gumbo, how can you dare call me and Whodi biased or say that we hold grudges or have something personal against Sullivan when you yourself said :
\"Sullivan shouldn\'t be given another chance. I knew this bum wasn\'t any good when he was in college. It was widely reported that he had character problems and most scouts reported he didn\'t have the talent to play in the NFL.

There is absolutely NO way that Sullivan is ever going to do anything. He simply doesn\'t have the talent to play in the NFL. NEVER!!\"

Quite a sudden change of heart on Sullivan eh. And by your arguments, we should still be waiting for Alex Molden to develop into a top flight cover corner. I agree with what Whodi is saying here and what you said in the link that Whodi posted. Sullivan DOES NOT HAVE THE TALENT. Laziness and no heart do not help much either.
Provide me with a link where I ever said that. If I did ... I\'m sure I was being sarcastic.

But show me where I said it and I\'ll own up to it.

And it seems to me that you hold a grudge when you said you want Sullivan cut no matter if he plays well or not.

How do you explain it any other way?
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Old 04-11-2005, 12:22 PM   #37
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Sullivan didn\'t play last year so you can\'t use last year as proof that he doesn\'t have talent. As hard-headed as you are, surly you understand this.
Okay, maybe you do not know as much about the Saints as you profess Gumbo. You do know Sully didin\'t play much last year cause he sucked right? So your argument is that even though Sully was so bad he couldn\'t get on the field and was beaten by street free agents for his starting job that was handed to him, I can\'t judge him cause we didn\'t get to see him? Oh my gawd that is priceless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Someone please frame that and never let it go!!! I think I will bust a gut reading back over that one for years to come. He sucked so bad he wasn\'t allowed to play, so I can\'t judge him cause he didn\'t play. LMAO!!!!!

[Edited on 11/4/2005 by saintswhodi]
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Old 04-11-2005, 12:23 PM   #38
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This is the link that quotes what you said. If you were being sarcastic, then my apologies for bringing it into the discussion. If not, then I dont see how in 2 weeks your opinion changes that much.
http://www.blackandgold.net/site/mod...op=modload&nam e=XForum&file=viewthread&tid=8747

All Im saying is that I do not think that Sullivan has the talent nor the desire to play. And yes I would rather cut Sullivan to watch him go play well elsewhere if it means that we draft a more talented, more motivated DT in the draft that can bring some intensity back into the defensive line to go along with the fire that Grant and Smith carry. I would rather a fiery, talented DT than one with no heart and IMO a severe lack of talent. A friend of mine is well over 300lbs but that doesnt mean that he can play football.
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Old 04-11-2005, 12:28 PM   #39
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Sullivan didn\'t play last year so you can\'t use last year as proof that he doesn\'t have talent. As hard-headed as you are, surly you understand this.
Okay, maybe you do not know as much about the Saints as you profess Gumbo. You do know Sully didin\'t play much last year cause he sucked right? So your argument is that even though Sully was so bad he couldn\'t get on the field and was beated by street free agents for his starting job that was handed to him, I can\'t judge him cause we didn\'t get to see him? Oh my gawd that is priceless!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Someone please frame that and never let it go!!! I think I will bust a gut reading back over that one for years to come. He sucked so bad he wasn\'t allowed to play, so I can\'t judge him cause he didn\'t play. LMAO!!!!!
Why do you always spew untruths on here.

What proof do you have that the reason Sullivan was benched last year was because he sucked?

Every report I read said Sullivan got in Haslett\'s dog-house because he reported out of shape and he had a bad attitude.

Yet, you just continue to make things up. You got ANYTHING where Haslett or ANY of the coaching staff said Sully sucked or didn\'t have talent.

Cause I sure as heck got plently where they said Sully was extremely talented.

Get those \"false-hood\" outta here.


BRSaintsFan --

Yeah, I was being \"sarcastic\" in that post.

Maybe you don\'t have a grudge. It just kinda stuck me as odd when you said you wanted Sullivan gone regardless of what kind of player he is this year.



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Old 04-11-2005, 12:28 PM   #40
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that tebucky had some talent didn\'t he? one fast mamma-jamma!
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