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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; I just don\'t see Kaliff Barnes, Jammal Brown or any other player you can pick at #20 worth DH (a proven above average player) & a 3rd. OK I know this crap is all just opinion, but just think about ...

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Old 04-22-2005, 12:24 AM   #21
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I just don\'t see Kaliff Barnes, Jammal Brown or any other player you can pick at #20 worth DH (a proven above average player) & a 3rd.
OK I know this crap is all just opinion, but just think about this for a second. Darren Howard right now is a backup. OK, just let that sink in.

Next, 95% of the time, a player drafted in the third round will never be as good as a player drafted in the first round.

Also, the majority of the star players in the NFL were former first round picks. First rounders are just usually going to be better players than third rounders. Now if we draft Barnes or Brown they have a very good chance of become starters at least, and Pro-Bowl type players at best. In comparison to having the chance to draft a STUD, it just doesn\'t make sense to throw that option away to keep a pick that will most likely be used to draft a guy who will probably be a permanent backup.
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Old 04-22-2005, 12:40 AM   #22
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Next, 95% of the time, a player drafted in the third round will never be as good as a player drafted in the first round.

I will like for to see statics on that... It hard for me to believe 95% more like 85% lol, however 2nd rd is a whole differ story more good player are found in the second and BIGGER BUSTS or found in 1st I prefer (1)1st, (2)2nd & (1)3rd

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Old 04-22-2005, 01:08 AM   #23
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I prefer (1)1st, (2)2nd & (1)3rd
Wouldn\'t you prefer (2) 1st & (1) 2nd???? And benefit from the extra cap space freed up from getting rid of Howard?
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Old 04-22-2005, 02:23 AM   #24
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Its not about whether or not Darren Howard is better than whomever we select at pick 20. The important thing is can we get a player or players who would help the team more with the pick(s). I love Darren Howard and i wouldnt mind keeping him, but the truth is, if we dont get anything for him now, we wont get anything at all next year when he walks.
Take what you can get and hope you are lucky enough to get someone who can make an impact.
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Old 04-22-2005, 05:06 AM   #25
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I prefer (1)1st, (2)2nd & (1)3rd
Wouldn\'t you prefer (2) 1st & (1) 2nd???? And benefit from the extra cap space freed up from getting rid of Howard?
nola_swammi was assuming we trade Howard to Dallas for their 2nd rounder, so there would be no further cap relief.
Still, nola_swammi, you say you don\'t think Jammal Brown is worth Howard and a 3rd - who will be there in the 2nd round that is worth Howard straight up? Kevin Burnett? Bryant McFadden?
I\'m not happy to lose Howard, but it\'s a combination of the players you get for him and the cap relief. Getting a 1st while giving up a third is the better scenario. The Draft Pick Value Board I use - and I think these boards are useful - values Howard at 670 points, the Cowboys\' 2nd rounder is only worth 480 points. I agree that in this draft, the value of picks in the 2nd and 3rd round is slightly bigger than usual relative to that of 1st round picks, but not so much that the 190 points advantage is made up.

If you could get (with 16 and 20) two of these players: Jammal Brown, Thomas Davis, Carlos Rogers and pick up the best available OLB in the 2nd round, I\'d be happy with the first day.
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Old 04-22-2005, 07:17 AM   #26
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First rounders are just usually going to be better players than third rounders.
I wonder why?
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Old 04-22-2005, 08:57 AM   #27
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good job going to the value board nc...

i rate howard as a low 1st to high 2nd: somewhere between 500-750 pts.

#20 (850pts) - #82 (180pts)= 670 pts
#42= 480 pts
getting the 1st rounder is a net 190 pts better. that is equal a mid 3rd rounder. it would take a 2nd & 3rd rounder to equal the first deal (about like the buchanon deal) but the boys don\'t have a 3rd.
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Old 04-22-2005, 09:13 AM   #28
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For those who say \"but they have to take whatever they can get for Howard...they can\'t possibly keep him!\" I repost this entry made by probably one of the most respected members (although an infrequent poster now, as he\'s actually been hired by an NFL franchise in some capacity and his own sense of ethics sort of limit what he thinks he should post) over at SaintsReport.com. I don\'t think he\'ll mind.

Good afternoon guys,

I dont want to be one of these \"I have a source but cant tell you\" guys but I felt the people had a right to know whats going on.

I dont know if it is a smokescreen or what, but apparently New Orleans is saying they have a contigency plan should Darren Howard not be traded Saturday.

That plan will be to sign him to a 6-year $33 million with a $14 million bonus that is two-tiered into two 7 million payments with a base salary of 804k in year 1.

Darren gets paid the same, but his cap number gets lowered to about $1.9 million.

The second portion will be written up as a roster bonus that will be triggered in April of 2006 giving them trade flexibility next year.

Again, not sure if they are using this as a threat, or if this is indeed true. Nevertheless, I hope this eases some people\'s minds about the team being left under the bus should Darren not be dealt this weekend.

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good job going to the value board nc...

i rate howard as a low 1st to high 2nd: somewhere between 500-750 pts.

#20 (850pts) - #82 (180pts)= 670 pts
#42= 480 pts
getting the 1st rounder is a net 190 pts better. that is equal a mid 3rd rounder.
let me see if i got this right? 750(howard) -180(3rd) =930

930(dallas) vs 850(NO)

How many points will a medium range 2nd? 420... I think

(2nd rd.)420 + 130(3rd rd)=550pts


750 vs 550

ok...I now understand your logic but I am saying they\'re other teams that will bite on Howard during the draft, possibility for a 1st. I say I will take the risk. If Loomis kneel to the Cowboys other teams will call his bluff.


[Edited on 22/4/2005 by nola_swammi]
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Old 04-22-2005, 09:32 AM   #30
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look yourself...
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/6330687
420

or howard 500+180. my mid range 625+180= 705=#26

[Edited on 22/4/2005 by LKelley67]
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