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Old 04-26-2005, 01:55 PM   #1
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Did Saints draft QB of the future?

The 152nd pick of the draft has me thinking.
With the 152nd pick, the Saints drafted a 6-3, 218-pound quarterback who's only 21 and possesses an arm that his former coach, Steve DeBerg, has seen only once before -- and that was on John Elway.

In fact, DeBerg is not alone in comparing Adrian McPherson to Elway. Saints quarterback coach Turk Schonert, who played with Elway at Stanford, tells Jeff Duncan in today's Times-Picayune that McPherson is "probably a better athlete in terms of escapability than John. And John could buy time, so there's no question we're talking about an outstanding athlete. John probably had a stronger arm, but [McPherson] throws it very hard, and they're a lot alike."

We all know McPherson's baggage. ESPN The Magazine's Dave Fleming detailed it terrifically in a story last month. And no matter what bad things you've read about some of the questionable characters in this year's draft, few quotes resonate stronger than this from Georgia Cappleman, the prosecutor whose 2003 trial against McPherson for gambling ended in a deadlocked jury.

"Is it my opinion he's a gambler? It's not opinion. That's what we know," Cappleman told the Miami Herald last month. "He's not only a gambler, he's a crook. Let me put it to you this way: If he was in a room with you, you better watch your wallet."

McPherson has certainly done what he can to clean up his rep, and let's just say for the sake of argument that his legal problems, image problems, and NFL contract will cure him of any gambling urges he may or may not have had during his short career at Florida State.

That said, don't be surprised if he's a starter.

Maybe not this year, maybe not the start of next year, but I think it could happen. He has only mediocrity ahead of him on the depth chart. Since Aaron Brooks led the Saints to the playoffs in 2000, he's been inconsistent at best -- and I emphasize "at best."

• In 13 of 16 games last year, he completed less than 60 percent of his passes.
• In 10 of 16 games last year, his quarterback rating was less than 80.0.
• In a era of football that glamorizes passing and QB ratings are higher than ever, he is a career 56.5 percent passer, despite playing in a version of the West Coast offense.
• He's supposed to be a downfield thrower -- and is playing with a talented group of receivers and running backs -- but his career yards per attempt is only 7.0.
• The Saints' record since 2000: 32-32.
• He still has three years left on a backloaded six-year, $36 million contract.


Playing in the Arena League last year, McPherson threw 56 touchdowns and only five picks. He learned how to read defenses quickly and unload the ball in a hurry. Yeah, I know, it's the Arena League. But Kurt Warner learned something there. Who's to say McPherson didn't?

Give it a year or two, but stay tuned
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Old 04-26-2005, 02:07 PM   #2
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This column writer, whodi and you baronm, have it in for AB.

This and averything deragotory towards AB is baseless and irrelavent.

NO NO NO....there is no QB controversy. AB will never lose his job to Adrian McPherson.

There guys. I did it for you.
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Good find Baron. An interesting read.

This has been puzzling me lately:

NFL contract will cure him of any gambling urges.
People do understand that a gambling problem isn\'t about how much money you have, right? If he truly has a gambling problem, that, I promise you, will not go away thanks to having more money. So, unless he was gambling because he was cash strapped, I don\'t see any reason to believe this kind of comment.
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This and averything deragotory towards AB is baseless and irrelavent.
I am hoping that your line is sarcastic -- in any case I saw that article also -- While I still have not given up on AB I do think that we are not going to keep paying AB big bucks per year for mediocre play if we have someone who can step up. That said McPherson is a stud -- whether that can translate into NFL material remains to be seen -- but if it can -- and he has cleaned up his act -- expect to see a better AB or no AB at all. And Haslett has done his part to help AB put up great stats -- I mean we did more for our OL than we did for our defense in FA and the draft. I have given AB the benefit of the doubt each year going into the season -- this is his last chance in my eyes -- no more excuses -- step up to the plate or accept the responsibility of being booed and disliked in New Orleans


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NFL contract will cure him of any gambling urges.
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People do understand that a gambling problem isn\'t about how much money you have, right? If he truly has a gambling problem, that, I promise you, will not go away thanks to having more money. So, unless he was gambling because he was cash strapped, I don\'t see any reason to believe this kind of comment.
Money makes problems worse, not better..unless you fix the problem money always makes it worse.

I think this kid,a nd brooks\'..biggest problem is no accountaiblity.. in the culture that we have-high school athletics esp. athletes are rated like Gods and kings and can get away with anything until someone pulls the rug out from under them and says: ok, you want to do that...well, I\'ll do this..bam!

personal accountability is a lost character trait and one that makes or break people success wise.

as far as I having it in for brooks..I could care less who the qb is as long as he can play the position and doesn\'t make me cringe when he gets under center....for the first two or three years, brooks was given his due..after that my patience runs thin..I\'m a fan not a cheerleader.. I don\'t just hoora fora player because he\'s cute (not that kinda guy)...I want someone who can play, or they shouldn\'t be out there.

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...hmmm.. let\'s see..
...give a gambler a wad of cash...
... oh, yeah!.. that\'ll cure him...
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This and averything deragotory towards AB is baseless and irrelavent.
I am hoping that your line is sarcastic -- in any case I saw that article also -- While I still have not given up on AB I do think that we are not going to keep paying AB big bucks per year for mediocre play if we have someone who can step up. That said McPherson is a stud -- whether that can translate into NFL material remains to be seen -- but if it can -- and he has cleaned up his act -- expect to see a better AB or no AB at all. And Haslett has done his part to help AB put up great stats -- I mean we did more for our OL than we did for our defense in FA and the draft. I have given AB the benefit of the doubt each year going into the season -- this is his last chance in my eyes -- no more excuses -- step up to the plate or accept the responsibility of being booed and disliked in New Orleans
Yeah I guess the sarcasm was lost to u. I was all for AMac being drafted.
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This and averything deragotory towards AB is baseless and irrelavent.
I am hoping that your line is sarcastic
Yeah I guess the sarcasm was lost to u. I was all for AMac being drafted.
One never can be sure on this forum
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You guys didn\'t even give AB\'s white knight a chance to ride to the rescue.
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I agree that if A-Mac had a gambling problem, then more money won\'t help. Did Pete Rose have a gambling \"problem\", or was it just the issue of a pro athlete betting on pro games?

The NFL securities checked A-Mac as well as they could, and gave him the green light. This leads me to believe that it was just a matter of a broke young man trying to make some cash.

Gambling in college has reached epidemic proportions, spanning every race, creed, and economic backgroung.
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