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this is a discussion within the Everything Else Community Forum; Who owned the Braves, when they were actually good? Who owned them when they were in the Series every year. I know my history just fine. I didn't know the Braves were sold, SORRY, I could care less to be ...
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Re: Yankees owner George Steinbrenner dead...
Who owned the Braves, when they were actually good? Who owned them when they were in the Series every year. I know my history just fine. I didn't know the Braves were sold, SORRY, I could care less to be honest. And as far as your Saints argument goes, I already went through that, in the 80s, before the cap, when the Saints couldn't get past teams like the 49ers, because they were buying all the best players. Did it bother me? Yes, it did, but I certainly didn't cry about it. If that's the set up, and the way things are, you adapt, and you move on. Either that, or you just continue to be a loser. There are many things I don't like in the world, that haven't changed in the many years I have been around, but I don't cry about it, I deal with it. You wanna blame the Yankees, and Steinbrenner, for the fact that your team can't compete, (I'm going to take a wild guess, that you are a Giants fan.... which would make sense, considering they haven't won a championship since they were actually in New York... Now that's irony...) If you are not, then I apologize, but I gotta say, you sound like one.
I am a Saints fan, been one since 72, and I've been a Yankee fan, since the same age. I remember the series with Jackson in the late seventies, and then I remember the complete drout, we went through, up until the late 90s. So, once again, I don't see your argument of "buying championships", considering how terrible they were back then. You are getting mad over this? Are you serious? It's just a conversation SF. Because I don't agree with your assessment, OF MY FAVORITE MLB TEAM, not yours, then you are getting heated. What do you expect? Me to bash my own team? I am a Yankees fan, and I am a very loyal Yankee fan. I don't usually pay attention to this rhetoric, because I am in fact, a Yankee fan. I don't care about the other teams. Same as the NFL, I only care about the Saints. Thus, once again, and no offense to you at all when I say this, boo hoo, cry me a river. To blame the Yankees for the complete downfall of baseball, is just ridiculous. Phillys won, Cards won, Diamondbacks have won a couple, as well as the Redsox. This argument never pops up, until the Yankees win one, and then, here comes the crap talking. "YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME." There you go. Don't like the way they do it, oh well. Obviously, it's possible to beat the Yankees, or teams like the ones I just mentioned, wouldn't have ever won them. How did they do it? Magic? As I said, you getting mad about this is ridiculous. It's a discussion forum. Calm down. |
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Re: Yankees owner George Steinbrenner dead...
Originally Posted by saintpaul25
i'm pretty sure the evidence shows otherwise - see...uh...the Braves, even at their best, weren't in the series every year, although they did with the NL East a whole bunch. I think you are confused on this issue as you are on many others. Still, the Braves were very good for a very long time, with 'mostly' home grown players and one hell of a manager. This is not an accurate representation of Yankees I'm afraid.![]()
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C'mon Man...
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Re: Yankees owner George Steinbrenner dead...
Originally Posted by saintpaul25
Stepping on his grave? LMAO. His passing, while unfortunate, doesn't change his legacy. Am I supposed to say only nice things about him for some amount of time? ![]()
Oh, he was a great <cough> man to work for Oh, he was <cough> patient Oh, he was kind <cough><cough> to his employees Oh, he was about winning but <cough> championed fair play Oh, he was <cough> wrongly convicted of a felony Oh, he was <cough> wrongly banned from baseball How much time should I let pass before I continue to show you what an ass he was? Give me a break already. You go right ahead and honor him for 'all he has done', and I will continue to believe he contributed largely to the mess baseball has become. I'll take the evidence, and you can have a blade of grass from his grave site. How'd that be? |
C'mon Man...
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Re: Yankees owner George Steinbrenner dead...
You know what SF, I you are entitled to your opinion, just as much as i am entitled to mine. I don't remember being a smartass, or trying to talk down to you, in any of my posts, where as, it seems to me, that that's exactly what you are doing to me. I have never treated you with anything but respect, but go back and read the things you have said to me, and you will see what I am talking about. Your baseball knowledge, you knowing more than me, me being a "typical yankee fan".... If that's the way you talk to people, well, then maybe you should work on it, because it could be interpreted that way, you must agree.
Right now, I'm going to leave this conversation, because honestly, I just don't feel like it. To me, it's just a game, not worth all of this. So have a wonderful weekend, and God bless. |
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Re: Yankees owner George Steinbrenner dead...
Originally Posted by saintpaul25
Yes, you are entitled to your opinion, but you are turning away from the facts because you choose to. If you respond to a question with completely incorrect answers, such as your list of teams that you say can spend with the Yankees for example, what do you expect? ![]()
I have been far more than a casual baseball observer for more than 30 years. My love for the game started when I began playing at 7 years old. I watched my team stink it up for nearly 20 years before they began winning through savvy talent evaluation as evidenced by their drafting of young players and trading for others. They were managed, both on the field and in the front office to win, and they didn't accomplish it through winning bidding wars either. Baseball is graceful and powerful at the same time. It is a game of both numbers and hunches. It is both subtle and in your face. It is about strategy and it is about skill. It is woven into our culture and history in a way that other sports are not. Even the NFL falls short in this regard. I truly love the game, and what's more I love the competition at a professional level, because those men play the game, by and large, as well as it can be played. And so, to deface the spirit of that competition by either not fielding the best team possible or by upsetting the natural order of things in a way the big market teams are able to, to be frank, pisses me off. I think this is why I, along with more people than you probably care to admit, take great joy from watching the Diamondbacks beat the Yankees, or watching the Rays give them an honest run for their money (if you'll please pardon the pun). It is, I confess, a 'stick it to the man' mentality that I often resist in the real world but also draws me to the underdog. Most Yankee fans I know, when presented with the same evidence I have pointed you to, reply with a sheepish and knowing grin, because they know, in their hearts, the truth. They don't like to admit it. That's fine. I know. Still, it doesn't change anything. They Yankees organization still does what it does, within the rules, technically, so they hang their hat on that, but in their heart they know the Pirates have little to no chance. I love the game, and so I support a reasonable cap and revenue sharing. It is the needs of the many, if you will forgive the Star Trek reference. Now, if you have a valid argument against this, bring it. Don't try and tell me other teams can do the same thing, and don't bring up owners that don't spend all they could or should, and don't deflect the argument towards me, and don't argue the history of the game with me based on assumptions. Don't tell me that you aren't upset about the Yankees clear financial advantage from one side of your mouth and then reveal that the 49ers doing the same thing (to a much lesser degree I might add) upset you, because you lose credibility, and surely you can see that. If it makes you feel better, let me say this: They Yankees have developed solid talent on their own. As good as anyone's from time to time. There are some very smart baseball people in that organization, and this is true throughout their history. George Steinbrenner fired most of them at some point or other, because he was an unrealistic hot head hell bent on winning at the expense of anything and everything, to include a man's integrity, which he stomped on again and again and again from 1972 'til the day he died, and that's just his baseball legacy. God only knows who he abused back in Cleveland. But don't manipulate the numbers. Don't tell me there is no such thing as integrity in sports. Don't tell me to just accept the status quo and keep losing. Don't be that guy. Don't be that Yankee fan. Don't tell me I cannot compare the best pro sports league, the NFL, with one of the worst, MLB, because there is no common ground. That's just silly. If the NFL is the most popular sport in the country, and the numbers certainly suggest that it is, do you think this has much to do with parity? You bet your ass it does. And don't insult me and indicate you wouldn't feel any different if Jerry Jones were allowed to run his team as Steinbrenner ran his. Yes, my friend, it is just a game, but I am more than a casual observer, and I take pride in being fair and competing with someone on level ground. This is why I have no respect for the Steinbrenner-run New York Yankees. The values aren't there, only the desire to win at any cost, whether it be their own bill or one the other teams end up paying. George says, "Let them suffer so long as I win." And the irony is that it really didn't get him anywhere did it? So what, then, is his legacy? And don't tell me I'm disrespecting his life. If there is a heaven and hell, you can bet the farm George Steinbrenner has a lot of questions to answer and actions to answer for before St Peter opens the gate. Hell, he may not even make it past the first cloud before they see him coming and lock down heaven. |
C'mon Man...
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